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Post by Legion on Feb 16, 2022 17:55:11 GMT -5
Eh, I love NXT, but I don't think we should be insulting people for not liking it. WWE's floor seems to be about 1.6million, which means over a million people aren't checking out something really good. Why not? How can a million people bother with RAW but not NXT? |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 16, 2022 17:56:27 GMT -5
I still find NXT 2.0 to just be an utter chore to get through. They cram so much into an episode that it loops back around to feeling like nothing actually happens and the show's going nowhere and I'd struggle to name a single one of the new recruits over the past months I actually even slightly care about. Plus the, "F*** you, you'll take what we give you," nature of it and how blatantly everything with the women is a bunch of old men's fetishes playing out onscreen just makes the whole thing feel really goddamn gross.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2022 18:03:10 GMT -5
Eh, I love NXT, but I don't think we should be insulting people for not liking it. WWE's floor seems to be about 1.6million, which means over a million people aren't checking out something really good. Why not? How can a million people bother with RAW but not NXT? Oh, I think it's WAY better than both Raw and SD (SD especially), but I can see why it wouldn't be a hit with everyone, especially women when so many of the female talents are booked to be horndogs and they do vignettes like Briggs and Jensen complaining about being friend zoned. Having said that, I love the show every week and I'm going to try to continue enjoying it without thinking too much about the ratings because that stuff's out of my control. I don't have a problem with people discussing it if it interests them. |
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Post by Legion on Feb 16, 2022 18:03:34 GMT -5
I still find NXT 2.0 to just be an utter chore to get through. They cram so much into an episode that it loops back around to feeling like nothing actually happens and the show's going nowhere and I'd struggle to name a single one of the new recruits over the past months I actually even slightly care about. Plus the, "F*** you, you'll take what we give you," nature of it and how blatantly everything with the women is a bunch of old men's fetishes playing out onscreen just makes the whole thing feel really goddamn gross. Genuinely the opposite. Love this show more than anything, and really enjoy all the new people. It's just fun. I don't want serious wrestling, I just want quickfire fun and a good story. NXT gives me that. Plus, I really dislike this idea that attractive women can't show off that fact? Why should they hide the fact they are hot? Why should they not use that as a gimmick if they want to? Do we get annoyed when Humberto or Angel do their gimmick of being hot guys? I dont get it, it might be different if the women were actively saying they hated doing it and were being exploited, or were back doing bra and panty matches or pudding bowls, but they are coming out and still putting on the best matches they can, and if they are happy to do it, what's the issue - why can't they be proud of themselves for looking good? I do get the objection to WWE's approach to how they changed the brand, but at the same time, eh. I dont believe many of the extra million people slogging their way through RAW care about not gulping down whatever WWE feed them. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 16, 2022 18:15:20 GMT -5
Eh, I love NXT, but I don't think we should be insulting people for not liking it. WWE's floor seems to be about 1.6million, which means over a million people aren't checking out something really good. Why not? How can a million people bother with RAW but not NXT? Maybe they did check it out and don't agree that it's really good? When I've watched new NXT it seems okay but I have no desire to watch it regularly. There's more people I care about on Raw (Rollins, Brock, Lashley, Bianca, Becky, Rhea, RK-Bro, Owens, Street Profits, Edge, Styles, Theory). I'm fine with just checking out the highlights/big matches on NXT (Ciampa-Breakker, WALTER-Dragunov). |
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Post by Legion on Feb 16, 2022 18:22:33 GMT -5
WWE's floor seems to be about 1.6million, which means over a million people aren't checking out something really good. Why not? How can a million people bother with RAW but not NXT? Maybe they did check it out and don't agree that it's really good? When I've watched new NXT it seems okay but I have no desire to watch it regularly. There's more people I care about on Raw (Rollins, Brock, Lashley, Bianca, Becky, Rhea, RK-Bro, Owens, Street Profits, Edge, Styles, Theory). I'm fine with just checking out the highlights/big matches on NXT (Ciampa-Breakker, WALTER-Dragunov). Yeah, that's possible. Name value definitely has a big draw and a show of new people isn't going to have that. But, if that was the case, you'd have expected a big number and then a drop off, and it never really even has that, even with new Raw cross promotion. It puzzles me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2022 18:24:14 GMT -5
WWE did not give a shit about NXT prior to the rainbow reboot basically ignoring it no plugs on raw , no crossover to promote their stars and stories.
But they have slowly driven away the Black and Gold diehards and now they are trying to plug that hole by actually finally doing cross brand promotion by having the likes of Waler and Ciampa on Raw trying to drum up interest in NXT and having guys like Styles go down and actually have matches but none of it is working and now all they have left is the portion that just watches all WWE programming regardless.
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Post by mistery on Feb 16, 2022 18:25:27 GMT -5
I still find NXT 2.0 to just be an utter chore to get through. They cram so much into an episode that it loops back around to feeling like nothing actually happens and the show's going nowhere and I'd struggle to name a single one of the new recruits over the past months I actually even slightly care about. Plus the, "F*** you, you'll take what we give you," nature of it and how blatantly everything with the women is a bunch of old men's fetishes playing out onscreen just makes the whole thing feel really goddamn gross. Genuinely the opposite. Love this show more than anything, and really enjoy all the new people. It's just fun. I don't want serious wrestling, I just want quickfire fun and a good story. NXT gives me that. Plus, I really dislike this idea that attractive women can't show off that fact? Why should they hide the fact they are hot? Why should they not use that as a gimmick if they want to? Do we get annoyed when Humberto or Angel do their gimmick of being hot guys? I dont get it, it might be different if the women were actively saying they hated doing it and were being exploited, or were back doing bra and panty matches or pudding bowls, but they are coming out and still putting on the best matches they can, and if they are happy to do it, what's the issue - why can't they be proud of themselves for looking good? I do get the objection to WWE's approach to how they changed the brand, but at the same time, eh. I dont believe many of the extra million people slogging their way through RAW care about not gulping down whatever WWE feed them. There's nothing wrong with having "being hot" as a gimmick. But it shouldn't be defining/leading the division, and the constant nonstop sex/horny references is legitimately a turnoff. Younger fans aren't going to flock to that. It also treads dangerously close to the divas era where the only women that mattered were the ones that management found hot. So of course people are going to get antsy around it. NXT is written by a bunch of 60+ year old men who have no idea what younger people are into these days. If WWE had brought in these main roster names to the Black and Gold days, ratings would likely be much higher. And not relying on complete failures like Mandy who bring absolutely nothing to the table at this point because no one is going to learn anything from her, and she's pretty much always been seen as a complete joke booking wise. |
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Post by eJm on Feb 16, 2022 18:30:21 GMT -5
I mean, a logical reason people might not watch is because they spent the last couple of years basically ignoring the brand and not promoting it much on television and the moments they did was because most of the roster was stranded in Saudi Arabia.
Then when the show had some ratings momentum against Dynamite, they continued to not promote it or give it any time of day for no actual good reason at all. So of course people aren’t going to suddenly watch it even with a new coat of paint because you basically told them not to care and chased off half the audience that did.
It’s like when WWE derails someone’s push when they’re hot and suddenly tries again when they’re ice cold to zero reaction. What did you think was going to happen? You told them not to care when they did so of course they’re not going to care now.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 16, 2022 18:45:30 GMT -5
Genuinely the opposite. Love this show more than anything, and really enjoy all the new people. It's just fun. I don't want serious wrestling, I just want quickfire fun and a good story. NXT gives me that. Plus, I really dislike this idea that attractive women can't show off that fact? Why should they hide the fact they are hot? Why should they not use that as a gimmick if they want to? Do we get annoyed when Humberto or Angel do their gimmick of being hot guys? I dont get it, it might be different if the women were actively saying they hated doing it and were being exploited, or were back doing bra and panty matches or pudding bowls, but they are coming out and still putting on the best matches they can, and if they are happy to do it, what's the issue - why can't they be proud of themselves for looking good? I do get the objection to WWE's approach to how they changed the brand, but at the same time, eh. I dont believe many of the extra million people slogging their way through RAW care about not gulping down whatever WWE feed them. There's nothing wrong with having "being hot" as a gimmick. But it shouldn't be defining/leading the division, and the constant nonstop sex/horny references is legitimately a turnoff. Younger fans aren't going to flock to that. It also treads dangerously close to the divas era where the only women that mattered were the ones that management found hot. So of course people are going to get antsy around it. NXT is written by a bunch of 60+ year old men who have no idea what younger people are into these days. If WWE had brought in these main roster names to the Black and Gold days, ratings would likely be much higher. And not relying on complete failures like Mandy who bring absolutely nothing to the table at this point because no one is going to learn anything from her, and she's pretty much always been seen as a complete joke booking wise. Exactly this. Plus, Humberto and Angel are two men out of dozens doing a sexy gimmick that's played more for laughs than it is actually being sexy. If it was just Mandy Rose doing a hot gimmick, while also having other aspects to her character, it wouldn't matter so much. But it isn't. Whether the women are okay with it or not isn't the point - it's the message it's sending about the division, and to the women watching from home. Women's wrestling still hasn't fully recovered from the mess of the Attitude era and some of the Ruthless Aggression years. Men's wrestling doesn't have that baggage (although, casting Latin wrestlers in the role again might have some...) so it's not the same. Context matters. It also doesn't help that some of the people responsible for the Divas era have their hands on NXT now, either. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 17, 2022 6:25:13 GMT -5
I wonder if maybe instead of sending main roster guys there maybe having some NXT 2.0 talents appear on Raw or Smackdown in a one off could help the ratings. Like for example have Bron Breakker show up on Raw and destroy somebody they don't have any plans for and have the commentators be like "you can see this guy every week on Tuesday night". At least that way you are getting eyes on some of these guys and the people who are always going to watch Raw or Smackdown might be entertained by what they see and want to tune in.
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Post by Hypnosis on Feb 17, 2022 10:43:01 GMT -5
I wonder if maybe instead of sending main roster guys there maybe having some NXT 2.0 talents appear on Raw or Smackdown in a one off could help the ratings. Like for example have Bron Breakker show up on Raw and destroy somebody they don't have any plans for and have the commentators be like "you can see this guy every week on Tuesday night". At least that way you are getting eyes on some of these guys and the people who are always going to watch Raw or Smackdown might be entertained by what they see and want to tune in. Gigi Dolin shows up in flashy sunglasses during a backstage interview with Becky, who is then left confused. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 17, 2022 11:11:47 GMT -5
I wonder if maybe instead of sending main roster guys there maybe having some NXT 2.0 talents appear on Raw or Smackdown in a one off could help the ratings. Like for example have Bron Breakker show up on Raw and destroy somebody they don't have any plans for and have the commentators be like "you can see this guy every week on Tuesday night". At least that way you are getting eyes on some of these guys and the people who are always going to watch Raw or Smackdown might be entertained by what they see and want to tune in. They also need to promote it. I don't believe they promoted Ciampa on Raw did they? But yes getting guys like Bron, Melo, DiAngelo, and the Creeds (guys Vince is clearly high on) some screwn time on the main shows would be good as well to help more than saying a guy like Dolph Ziggler who has no momentum being promoted to show up |
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 17, 2022 11:21:51 GMT -5
Pity because the show was actually pretty good this time. Significantly better than normal.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 17, 2022 11:38:24 GMT -5
Pity because the show was actually pretty good this time. Significantly better than normal. Honestly? There are things that clearly aren't working that they're trying to make but there are also things are and are improving. I still contend that too many people made the mistake that WWE cared about NXT when they had to rely on them due to the Saudi debacle and forgot that to Vince it was meant as a developmental territory and not a 3rd brand. So many were never gonna give 2.0 a shot |
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 17, 2022 11:49:52 GMT -5
WWE spent so many years mostly ignoring the brand. Now it’s been treated as developmental. And they’ve driven off quite a few of the fans of the Black and Gold. Also a lot of the gimmicks feel very New Generation-Esque.
The ratings are not surprising. WWE gives very little reason for people to tune in week in and week out.
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