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Post by Aceorton on Feb 19, 2022 21:13:59 GMT -5
Let him be the unlikely muscle for McMahon. Vince says he knew Bart was something special when he hired him, and now that he’s realized his potential, Vince wants him to take the title off Austin. It’s not an out and out heel turn, just a good man being taken advantage of because Bart knows this may be his one shot at becoming the WWF Champion. He’s got the left hook that can put anyone down, he’s got Vince. Love this. McMahon trying to puppet-master him to the dark side with claims of "knowing all along" that Bart was a champion would be really solid stuff. The timing would also work well with DX and the Corporation feuding near the end of '98. You could have Billy pointing out what a sellout Brother Bart is to add to Bart's slow-burn turn on McMahon. I mean, shit, you could even have some shenanigans with Austin or Mankind where Vince ends up getting tricked into signing a contract for a Brawl For All match against Bart at WM15. Stooges try to intervene and rig the scoring and get clobbered. Big Show gets involved somehow to protect McMahon, but signals get crossed and McMahon gets knocked out anyway. This causes him to be declared "medically unfit" to be the referee for Rock vs. Austin later in the show (although he tries anyway), and he blames Big Show for everything after WrestleMania to further that feud. Meanwhile, Bart moves into a feud with Shamrock that's basically "trained MMA fighter vs. popular bar-room brawler with the left hook from hell." Shamrock trying repeatedly to jump Bart but getting knocked out week after week and becoming increasingly insane about it would be gold.
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Feb 19, 2022 21:38:56 GMT -5
Gets a super late 90s gimmick where he beats the f*** out of dudes who just can't hang in this bitchin new era cause they're corny and Passé. Like 3 Minute Warning but with less hate crimes and more WCW lookalikes getting battered. Imagine how messed up it would have been if Hulk Hogan's incredible 2002 comeback run happened a few years after Bart Gunn mauled a jobber named Trolley Wood Seth Rogan to thunderous applause and ppl in the crowd shouting horrible things.
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Post by ghost on Feb 19, 2022 23:33:40 GMT -5
I like the idea of Vince noticing him and recruiting him to take out Austin. Of course, Austin beats him clean, but would have at least capitalized off BFA.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Feb 20, 2022 0:03:27 GMT -5
Down on his luck stripper gimmick
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Feb 20, 2022 0:35:45 GMT -5
Smoking Gunns reunion of sorts, but with Bart just becoming the Enforcer for DX.
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 20, 2022 12:50:31 GMT -5
You know this thread makes me think, as bad as The Brawl for All was, the one good thing that could've came out of it was making a new star, even if it was by accident and not their "intended" guy, instead they didn't capitalize on it. BTW, was Bart Gunn on TV anytime between when he won the tournament and getting knocked out by Butterbean at Wrestlemania XV? Even on Shotgun or Heat? It's like he immediately vanished afterwards and didn't return until the build-up to Wrestlemania.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 20, 2022 13:28:00 GMT -5
You know this thread makes me think, as bad as The Brawl for All was, the one good thing that could've came out of it was making a new star, even if it was by accident and not their "intended" guy, instead they didn't capitalize on it. BTW, was Bart Gunn on TV anytime between when he won the tournament and getting knocked out by Butterbean at Wrestlemania XV? Even on Shotgun or Heat? It's like he immediately vanished afterwards and didn't return until the build-up to Wrestlemania. From what I saw he was gone after the BFA up until very early 99, I think February. He had an interview with Jim Ross where Dr. Death attacked him and I think before that he came out just for a crowd reaction on the Titan Tron and Dr. Death as a masked kabuki type wrestler threw him off the Titan Tron. I watched all the shows but Shotgun so not sure he was on there after BFA or before the Raw return. They should have just done a Dr. Death/Bart match. I'm surprised that Vince, who seemed to enjoy messing with Ross so much, didn't try to push Bart to the moon at Jim's expense. But I guess if Vince paid Dr. Death so much, he blamed Bart just as much or more than anyone for killing Dr. Death's chances at a meaningful run.
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 20, 2022 13:58:06 GMT -5
You know this thread makes me think, as bad as The Brawl for All was, the one good thing that could've came out of it was making a new star, even if it was by accident and not their "intended" guy, instead they didn't capitalize on it. BTW, was Bart Gunn on TV anytime between when he won the tournament and getting knocked out by Butterbean at Wrestlemania XV? Even on Shotgun or Heat? It's like he immediately vanished afterwards and didn't return until the build-up to Wrestlemania. From what I saw he was gone after the BFA up until very early 99, I think February. He had an interview with Jim Ross where Dr. Death attacked him and I think before that he came out just for a crowd reaction on the Titan Tron and Dr. Death as a masked kabuki type wrestler threw him off the Titan Tron. I watched all the shows but Shotgun so not sure he was on there after BFA or before the Raw return. They should have just done a Dr. Death/Bart match. I'm surprised that Vince, who seemed to enjoy messing with Ross so much, didn't try to push Bart to the moon at Jim's expense. But I guess if Vince paid Dr. Death so much, he blamed Bart just as much or more than anyone for killing Dr. Death's chances at a meaningful run. Blamed Bart? It was a SHOOT fight, if they wanted to push Dr. Death so bad, they should've rigged the whole thing. Williams wasn't a WWF-style wrestler anyway(especially in the Attitude Era), but if they were so invested in him, they shouldn't have put his tough guy mystique at risk no matter how sure management was at him winning the thing. BTW, they were conflicting stories on how the BFA came to be. One story was that it was designed to build Steve Williams up as a challenger for "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, while another story was Vince Russo overheard Bradshaw run his mouth about how he can beat the entire locker room in a real fight and being the bully he was, Russo wanted him to prove it. Either way, having it be a shoot tournament undermines the rest of the show. "Okay, everything else is fake, but THIS is real."
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 20, 2022 17:57:25 GMT -5
Someone blamed Bart or I don't think he would have been put in a match where Butterbean destroyed him or they wouldn't have had Dr. Death destroy him with no pay off.
Dr. Death sure wasn't a WWF style wrestler and they really didn't even put him in a position to succeed. He may have been on a Shotgun but I don't remember him on TV at all until his BFA first match.
The origins of BFA may never really be clear unless we here it from Vince and he's truly honest. I do think Russo is the type of guy who would start a crazy tournament just to teach one guy a lesson but he's not exactly the most reliable source. I do also think Jim Ross had Vince's ear and was able to convince him to give Dr. Death a great contract but with so many tough guys why take a chance at their pick not winning?
Dr. Death may have been like a Road Warriors-a guy who was everywhere but WWF and when Vince got a chance, he took it and the truth may somewhere be in the middle. Dr. Death's loss to Bart pretty much killed the Jim Ross friendship until Doc got very sick years later so I'm sure Doc very much believed he was destined for bigger things and it hurt him that it went so badly. After all these years the thing I wonder most is, did he know his Jakks toy was such a shelf warmer. It's hard for fans to buy a toy when very people watching WWF even know who the guy is.
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Post by fg on Feb 20, 2022 18:24:47 GMT -5
Have him box against people like Boxcar Bob, Switchyard Sullivan and finally…Dredrick Tatum.
Have his opponents punch him repeatedly until they get tired so Bart can KTFO.
Have him wear the glove called the Stinger which would be given to him by his manager Moe.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Feb 21, 2022 9:15:45 GMT -5
I think in Bob Holly’s book he mentions pitching a feud between him and Bart based on the fact that Bob won all his Brawl For All matches by knockout…except for the fight against Bob. That seems like a readymade midcard feud.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 21, 2022 9:30:07 GMT -5
He might have done OK in the Corporate enforcer role they gave to the Big Bossman
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 21, 2022 9:31:42 GMT -5
From what I saw he was gone after the BFA up until very early 99, I think February. He had an interview with Jim Ross where Dr. Death attacked him and I think before that he came out just for a crowd reaction on the Titan Tron and Dr. Death as a masked kabuki type wrestler threw him off the Titan Tron. I watched all the shows but Shotgun so not sure he was on there after BFA or before the Raw return. They should have just done a Dr. Death/Bart match. I'm surprised that Vince, who seemed to enjoy messing with Ross so much, didn't try to push Bart to the moon at Jim's expense. But I guess if Vince paid Dr. Death so much, he blamed Bart just as much or more than anyone for killing Dr. Death's chances at a meaningful run. Blamed Bart? It was a SHOOT fight, if they wanted to push Dr. Death so bad, they should've rigged the whole thing. Williams wasn't a WWF-style wrestler anyway(especially in the Attitude Era), but if they were so invested in him, they shouldn't have put his tough guy mystique at risk no matter how sure management was at him winning the thing. BTW, they were conflicting stories on how the BFA came to be. One story was that it was designed to build Steve Williams up as a challenger for "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, while another story was Vince Russo overheard Bradshaw run his mouth about how he can beat the entire locker room in a real fight and being the bully he was, Russo wanted him to prove it. Either way, having it be a shoot tournament undermines the rest of the show. "Okay, everything else is fake, but THIS is real." Why cant it be both? Russo came up with th idea for a tournament to get Bradshaw effed up. He obviously cant go to Vince with that so when Ross talked about bringing in Dr Death to face Austin Russo pitched the tournament as a way to build up the Dr.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 21, 2022 9:32:08 GMT -5
I think in Bob Holly’s book he mentions pitching a feud between him and Bart based on the fact that Bob won all his Brawl For All matches by knockout…except for the fight against Bob. That seems like a readymade midcard feud. It'd have also at least made any point of the "New Midnight Express" team.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 21, 2022 9:46:44 GMT -5
He might have done OK in the Corporate enforcer role they gave to the Big Bossman I think he could have worked to an extent, but Big Bossman was just a better wrestler and character worker, with more credibility. Still, a bodyguard or enforcer for a heel wouldn't have been a terrible option, in general.
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Post by hassanchop on Feb 21, 2022 22:35:48 GMT -5
Have him win the King of the Ring instead of Billy and have him managed by Slick who now has a Don King like personality complete with atrocious grammar. When Austin is out of action he is the prime suspect which he denies but doesn’t care, and claims if he wanted to take Austin out he’d use his fists.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 22, 2022 0:23:36 GMT -5
I love Doc, but he was never going to fit in McMahonland, especially in a main event scene.
As for Bart, I don't know specifically what to do. I think there have been some good ideas here. I don't think it should have been hard to have him as a solid micard guy after winning the stupid ass Brawl For All, which never should have happened in the first place.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 22, 2022 18:42:44 GMT -5
Retire him from boxing.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Feb 22, 2022 19:04:41 GMT -5
Move him into feuds with the other MMA guys makes the most sense at least for a 6 month or whatever solution
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Post by CubsFan71 on Feb 23, 2022 1:03:21 GMT -5
You mean instead of booking him to get his face knocked off but Butterbean? Have him cost Stone Cold the match for the title vs the Rock at that years Wrestlemania. Then have a small Austin vs Gunn feud and after that he could have the enforcer roll with McMahon instead of Bossman
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