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Post by Cyno on Feb 26, 2022 16:22:45 GMT -5
From the man who thought, about a year and a half later, doing a backstage segment where he calls John Cena his "n****" in front of Booker T was a really funny, cool thing to do.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 26, 2022 16:44:45 GMT -5
From the man who thought, about a year and a half later, doing a backstage segment where he calls John Cena his "n****" in front of Booker T was a really funny, cool thing to do. Vince may not be a white supremacist racist but he is the type of racist that sees anyone not white as an “other”. Has there ever been an ethnic wrestler with a gimmick that does not have any ethnic qualities? Shelton fit this before he got paired with his “momma”.
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Post by bob on Feb 26, 2022 16:46:37 GMT -5
so an updated version of Akeem
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 26, 2022 16:47:53 GMT -5
From the man who thought, about a year and a half later, doing a backstage segment where he calls John Cena his "n****" in front of Booker T was a really funny, cool thing to do. From the man who thought, in current day, doing a six month feud where Sonya Deville, a white woman in authoritative power, abused Naomi relentlessly and called her a failure for literally no revealed or discernable reason other than she felt like it, was apparently not bad optics.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 26, 2022 18:22:59 GMT -5
Along with Chris Masters in a sombrero and "Will X ruin the Lord Tensai gimmick?" Someone, and I forget who and really shouldn’t, met Masters and got a pic with him in an sombrero. A friend of mine did it, at my request. That's how I became King of Likes before some jabroni mark wouldn't put me over brother
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 26, 2022 18:28:09 GMT -5
Someone, and I forget who and really shouldn’t, met Masters and got a pic with him in an sombrero. A friend of mine did it, at my request. That's how I became King of Likes before some jabroni mark wouldn't put me over brother have you considered hitting the gym, getting a tan, and getting a clue?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 26, 2022 18:30:13 GMT -5
A friend of mine did it, at my request. That's how I became King of Likes before some jabroni mark wouldn't put me over brother have you considered hitting the gym, getting a tan, and getting a clue? WHEN I REVOLUTIONISED THE BUSINESS IN 1996
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Feb 26, 2022 18:36:59 GMT -5
From the man who thought, about a year and a half later, doing a backstage segment where he calls John Cena his "n****" in front of Booker T was a really funny, cool thing to do. From the man who thought, in current day, doing a six month feud where Sonya Deville, a white woman in authoritative power, abused Naomi relentlessly and called her a failure for literally no revealed or discernable reason other than she felt like it, was apparently not bad optics. I mean, we could make a thread just about how Vince handles the portrayal of minorities on TV: Saba Simba, Papa Shango, Men on a Mission, Kamala, Mexicools, Cryme Tyme, Mama Benjamin, Muhammad Hassan, Kenzo Suzuki, Jacket Time, The Nation of Domination, Kerwin White, Jamaican Kofi, New Day 1.0 ("New Nation" edition)... the list goes on. And on. And on. And on. And on...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2022 19:03:43 GMT -5
From the man who thought, about a year and a half later, doing a backstage segment where he calls John Cena his "n****" in front of Booker T was a really funny, cool thing to do. Vince may not be a white supremacist racist but he is the type of racist that sees anyone not white as an “other”. Has there ever been an ethnic wrestler with a gimmick that does not have any ethnic qualities? Shelton fit this before he got paired with his “momma”. Lashley to be honest. I am not seeing any stereotypical racist traits in his character work. Even during his first run. MVP is probably another.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 26, 2022 20:40:48 GMT -5
Vince may not be a white supremacist racist but he is the type of racist that sees anyone not white as an “other”. Has there ever been an ethnic wrestler with a gimmick that does not have any ethnic qualities? Shelton fit this before he got paired with his “momma”. Lashley to be honest. I am not seeing any stereotypical racist traits in his character work. Even during his first run. MVP is probably another. Lashley I will take your word for. I could not remember anything from his first run and I have not seen any of his current. Hurt Business sounded like it could be racial but again I have not seen any. MVP though was very much playing on black superstar athlete tropes in his first run.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2022 21:19:31 GMT -5
Lashley to be honest. I am not seeing any stereotypical racist traits in his character work. Even during his first run. MVP is probably another. Lashley I will take your word for. I could not remember anything from his first run and I have not seen any of his current. Hurt Business sounded like it could be racial but again I have not seen any. MVP though was very much playing on black superstar athlete tropes in his first run. Fair point. I guess you could say Ricochet, David Otunga and The Boogeyman? I wouldn't say they ever had to play up to any racial stereotypes. Maybe Ahmed Johnson aswell.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 26, 2022 21:47:54 GMT -5
From the man who thought, about a year and a half later, doing a backstage segment where he calls John Cena his "n****" in front of Booker T was a really funny, cool thing to do. From the man who thought, in current day, doing a six month feud where Sonya Deville, a white woman in authoritative power, abused Naomi relentlessly and called her a failure for literally no revealed or discernable reason other than she felt like it, was apparently not bad optics. And ultimately rather than getting her revenge herself a white woman came in and did it for her.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Feb 26, 2022 21:56:59 GMT -5
Lashley I will take your word for. I could not remember anything from his first run and I have not seen any of his current. Hurt Business sounded like it could be racial but again I have not seen any. MVP though was very much playing on black superstar athlete tropes in his first run. Fair point. I guess you could say Ricochet, David Otunga and The Boogeyman? I wouldn't say they ever had to play up to any racial stereotypes. Maybe Ahmed Johnson aswell. Ahmed Johnson's heel turn was based on him blaming racism from the fans and management for why he was never World Champion. He joined the Nation of Domination and was likely going to carry that theme, but got injured about a week later.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 26, 2022 22:02:08 GMT -5
Vince may not be a white supremacist racist but he is the type of racist that sees anyone not white as an “other”. Has there ever been an ethnic wrestler with a gimmick that does not have any ethnic qualities? Shelton fit this before he got paired with his “momma”. Lashley to be honest. I am not seeing any stereotypical racist traits in his character work. Even during his first run. MVP is probably another. Apparently, some of that is because Lashley has consistently put his foot down about that kind of thing since the first run. Guessing if you're in his position, it's a lot easier to shoot down a questionable line or bad angle. That being said, even he's not immune to it. The angle with Lana definitely came off as a "BBC" kind of thing at times.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Feb 27, 2022 9:15:29 GMT -5
Lashley to be honest. I am not seeing any stereotypical racist traits in his character work. Even during his first run. MVP is probably another. Lashley I will take your word for. I could not remember anything from his first run and I have not seen any of his current. Hurt Business sounded like it could be racial but again I have not seen any. MVP though was very much playing on black superstar athlete tropes in his first run. I remember during his Art of Wrestling episode (an overall amazing episode btw) MVP talked about how he came up with the gimmick of a spoiled athlete who hadn't proven anything yet and still demanded a large contract "Spoiled/Egotistical Athlete" is a pretty general gimmick for a heel
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 27, 2022 10:46:20 GMT -5
Lashley I will take your word for. I could not remember anything from his first run and I have not seen any of his current. Hurt Business sounded like it could be racial but again I have not seen any. MVP though was very much playing on black superstar athlete tropes in his first run. I remember during his Art of Wrestling episode (an overall amazing episode btw) MVP talked about how he came up with the gimmick of a spoiled athlete who hadn't proven anything yet and still demanded a large contract "Spoiled/Egotistical Athlete" is a pretty general gimmick for a heel I remember Terrell Owens in particular being one people brought up a lot as someone that may have inspired it, though that feels like a stretch since while he did get a lot of controversy, he has been a pro for a while by that time, so it doesn't really lien up with what MVP is talking about here. That said, Owens WAS on WWE's radar, since an infamous ad he was in was parodied by WWE with Shelton Benjamin and Trish Status in what would have to be one of their rare cases where WWE spotted the racist controversy surrounding that ad and parodied it, even if there's probably a good chance a lot of international fans had no idea what the joke was about.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 27, 2022 11:21:29 GMT -5
I remember during his Art of Wrestling episode (an overall amazing episode btw) MVP talked about how he came up with the gimmick of a spoiled athlete who hadn't proven anything yet and still demanded a large contract "Spoiled/Egotistical Athlete" is a pretty general gimmick for a heel I remember Terrell Owens in particular being one people brought up a lot as someone that may have inspired it, though that feels like a stretch since while he did get a lot of controversy, he has been a pro for a while by that time, so it doesn't really lien up with what MVP is talking about here. That said, Owens WAS on WWE's radar, since an infamous ad he was in was parodied by WWE with Shelton Benjamin and Trish Status in what would have to be one of their rare cases where WWE spotted the racist controversy surrounding that ad and parodied it, even if there's probably a good chance a lot of international fans had no idea what the joke was about. Yeah the gimmick does not have to be a racial one but I guarantee you what sold it to Vince at that time was the allusion to people in the news like Owens. And MVP is a shrewd man so I am sure he played it up to Vince.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 27, 2022 16:50:30 GMT -5
Also, I'm almost impressed that a 2004 Matt Hardy had that much racial awareness to think this was a really bad idea. Like, that was at a time where so many white folks were parroting rap lyrics or Chappelle's Show quotes or just trying so hard to be "gangsta" with abandon.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 28, 2022 8:38:11 GMT -5
Lashley I will take your word for. I could not remember anything from his first run and I have not seen any of his current. Hurt Business sounded like it could be racial but again I have not seen any. MVP though was very much playing on black superstar athlete tropes in his first run. Fair point. I guess you could say Ricochet, David Otunga and The Boogeyman? I wouldn't say they ever had to play up to any racial stereotypes. Maybe Ahmed Johnson aswell. Boogeyman is a voodoo character, he is absolutely a racialised gimmick too. Also, I'm almost impressed that a 2004 Matt Hardy had that much racial awareness to think this was a really bad idea. Like, that was at a time where so many white folks were parroting rap lyrics or Chappelle's Show quotes or just trying so hard to be "gangsta" with abandon. Yeah, I was actually pretty delighted to find out that Matt Hardy makes many terrible decisions but that this wasn't one of them.
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