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Post by Instant Classic on Feb 27, 2022 22:39:28 GMT -5
Yes, but losing to Roman at Mania suuuucked.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 27, 2022 22:56:01 GMT -5
Instead of a young gun breaking the streak to get a huge rub, which could have backfired greatly, the idea was to use Brock breaking the Streak to make him the new Taker in the sense of making Brock a special attraction like Taker had been the last several years.
I still believe that was the correct idea.
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Post by robferatu on Feb 27, 2022 23:25:10 GMT -5
My feeling with the streak is, when it ended that should of been the Undertaker’s last match and considering everything that happened post-losing to Lesnar.
The Undertaker probably should have called it quits in two-thousand and fourteen, and Brock was the right person to not only end the streak, but to have potentially retired the Undertaker.
At that particular point, Lesnar had been back for about two years and lost quite a bit of stock within the company as the field with Triple H did him no favors and neither did losing his first match back against John Cena.
Defeating the Undertaker at the grandest stage of them all, thus ending the streak completely revitalized the Beast Incarnat.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 27, 2022 23:59:24 GMT -5
eh I go back and forth on it.
on one hand it was really the only kinda "Record" Taker had... since he never really had a great run with the title so it remaining unbroken as a big monument type thing might have been nice...
on the other hand, I think Taker never would have retired while it was unbroken... he'd basically just be waiting until march or whatever for Vince to call until he keeled over.
Brock was probably the right person to break it if anyone was going to.
You don't have to worry about them potentially flaring out like an up and comer.
Established and young enough that it doesn't seem forced.
General doesn't care what the crowd thinks of him
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 28, 2022 0:30:05 GMT -5
Yes, but someone else should have broken it.
Sorry, but Brock didn’t really interest me (before his current run) and him ending it felt like a waste.
Especially since you had CM Punk the year before and Bray Wyatt the year after as better options.
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Post by ariestheram on Feb 28, 2022 6:54:31 GMT -5
Should have been ended by Orton at Wrestlemania 21 I'm with you on that. The Orton match to me was the perfect confluence of Randy's legend killer gimmick and the streak turning into THE STREAK where the only guys who were going to get booked against Taker at WM were established enough to not need the rub from ending the streak.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 28, 2022 7:01:39 GMT -5
Brock breaking the streak was fine.
The follow up to it was not.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Feb 28, 2022 7:07:39 GMT -5
I wasn't thrilled at the time (sentimental/nostalgia), but in retrospect having the streak end with Brock Lesnar getting the result from a business sense was a great move for WWE.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 28, 2022 7:08:55 GMT -5
In hindsight, definitely. Brock has more than paid off in the years since breaking the streak. And, light schedule aside, he has stuck around long enough to make it worth giving him the honor.
I know a lot of people think it should’ve been Cena, but (again, hindsight) he hasn’t been around as much as Lesnar has. Hell, as far as potential contenders for breaking the streak go, who (except maybe Orton) is still both around and a big star? WWE got a good return on that investment especially since, as others have pointed out, Undertaker wasn’t up to even one good match per year after that point.
Lesnar was exactly the right guy at exactly the right time.
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Post by eJm on Feb 28, 2022 7:15:24 GMT -5
As others have said, there was zero guarantee that they could have taken advantage of a moment with anyone but Lesnar considering what happened with some title wins and even Cesaro winning the first Andre Battle Royale that same night leading to basically nothing.
Lesnar was established, believably could do it, wasn’t exactly a guy who was going to fall under the pressure because he was already making millions in the bank and you could add another notch to his legacy. Regardless of what happened afterwards, he was the only guy that ticked all the boxes and make it make sense.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 28, 2022 8:32:31 GMT -5
Yes they should have broken it. I would have rather they give it to someone else, but they proved themselves completely unwilling to make the choices were necessary to get someone less established over with it.
None of the Shield guys were established enough at that point to be given that rub, and even amongst them Ambrose eventually left.
Everybody else? Who else was loyal enough to WWE, but could be guaranteed to stick around? Almost every other remotely main event worthy talent on the card for Mania XXX has gone - Bryan, Bray, Rusev, even Cena!
I really wish somebody had become a Made Man by beating Undertaker, and I know a lot of terrible decisions have been made via the 'in case of emergency, book Brock' method that resulted from this, but there really wasn't another better candidate.
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Post by eJm on Feb 28, 2022 9:14:50 GMT -5
Like, I will say, the only other guy it could have been from an established crop was Cena but the circumstances would have to be different from how it happened ala Cena being more of a heel and that didn't make sense for 30 or even that..."feud" they had at 34 that...
No, seriously, Braun, the f*** were you talking about "I need a path to WrestleMania!", CENA WAS CALLING PEOPLE OUT A FEW MINUTES BEFORE, YOU TURD SANDWICH!
*ahem* Sorry, sorry. Anger reflex.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Feb 28, 2022 9:16:42 GMT -5
No cause they wasted it on Ludvig Borga.... what streak are we talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 9:17:02 GMT -5
At the time, yes, it was the right call. I would argue that the way Brock has been utilized in the years since has made it a flat moment in retrospect, but at the time it was the right call and the right person. As much as Brock currently sucks, I have to begrudgingly admit that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 9:17:41 GMT -5
I loved it.
And I can't stress enough that the fact that it was done in such anticlimactic fashion was brilliant. Legit one of the best moments in WWE history.
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 28, 2022 9:27:59 GMT -5
To be fair, Taker should've retired before than. When he defeated Triple H two years prior when it was built as "end of an era", that would've been a perfect ending. If they/Undertaker wanted to keep persisting, then yes, the streaking ending when it did and who broke it was the right call.
As others have said, it was the follow up on Taker still having matches at Wrestlemania that ruined it. I mean, there was no point after that and it made him look like just another star who didn't know when to call it quits.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Feb 28, 2022 10:24:08 GMT -5
I still stand that the Streak should never have ended.
Even if Taker himself wanted it to end, I think he should have retired undefeated.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 28, 2022 10:41:49 GMT -5
I think Brock was the right guy. I might have made Taker's matches *after* that Mania into a multi-year story leading to Taker's retirement, though.
Mania 30 - Brock beats Taker and goes on his God Mode run for the year. Mania 31 - Taker beats somebody - maybe Bray, maybe somebody else, but the heart of the story is that Taker's being taunted for not having it anymore. Mania 32 in Texas - The old gunslinger in Taker beats Brock clean by the skin of his teeth and then retires to a hero's ovation in AT&T Stadium.
Yeah, we don't get the Boneyard Match, but Brock still gets the rub from ending the streak, we avoid the shitty Ambrose/Lesnar match from 32 and we don't have to watch 4 or 5 years of bad Taker matches. I don't think Brock's aura would suffer from a loss to Taker, as we saw during that SummerSlam match.
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Post by eJm on Feb 28, 2022 10:48:04 GMT -5
I think Brock was the right guy. I might have made Taker's matches *after* that Mania into a multi-year story leading to Taker's retirement, though. Mania 30 - Brock beats Taker and goes on his God Mode run for the year. Mania 31 - Taker beats somebody - maybe Bray, maybe somebody else, but the heart of the story is that Taker's being taunted for not having it anymore. Mania 32 in Texas - The old gunslinger in Taker beats Brock clean by the skin of his teeth and then retires to a hero's ovation in AT&T Stadium. Yeah, we don't get the Boneyard Match, but Brock still gets the rub from ending the streak, we avoid the shitty Ambrose/Lesnar match from 32 and we don't have to watch 4 or 5 years of bad Taker matches. I don't think Brock's aura would suffer from a loss to Taker, as we saw during that SummerSlam match. I think for that, we'd also have to hope that Taker doesn't get a concussion during the match because that was pretty much the catalyst for the summer feud since Taker didn't feel it was a good match because of it.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 28, 2022 10:51:32 GMT -5
I think Brock was the right guy. I might have made Taker's matches *after* that Mania into a multi-year story leading to Taker's retirement, though. Mania 30 - Brock beats Taker and goes on his God Mode run for the year. Mania 31 - Taker beats somebody - maybe Bray, maybe somebody else, but the heart of the story is that Taker's being taunted for not having it anymore. Mania 32 in Texas - The old gunslinger in Taker beats Brock clean by the skin of his teeth and then retires to a hero's ovation in AT&T Stadium. Yeah, we don't get the Boneyard Match, but Brock still gets the rub from ending the streak, we avoid the shitty Ambrose/Lesnar match from 32 and we don't have to watch 4 or 5 years of bad Taker matches. I don't think Brock's aura would suffer from a loss to Taker, as we saw during that SummerSlam match. I think for that, we'd also have to hope that Taker doesn't get a concussion during the match because that was pretty much the catalyst for the summer feud since Taker didn't feel it was a good match because of it. Yeah, the above is definitely in an ideal world.
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