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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 24, 2022 6:17:16 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of apologism for Hogan's rascism in here. Not naming any names, but a lot of people here seem a bit too eager to casually dismiss it.
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Post by eJm on Mar 24, 2022 6:25:22 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of apologism for Hogan's rascism in here. Not naming any names, but a lot of people here seem a bit too eager to casually dismiss it. I also feel like people aren't recognizing what he was saying and why people might find it hard to separate his legacy from them. If it were just slurs and terms, that'd be one thing (and it'd still be pretty terrible) but it absolutely wasn't just that. Along with that, stuff after his apology basically came off like he was apologizing for getting caught rather than for what was said to the point where even the New Day and Titus made it public they don't want to deal with him.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 24, 2022 7:29:23 GMT -5
A garbage fire of a person who was coincidentally also a skilled performer and self marketer.
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Post by auph10imitated on Mar 24, 2022 9:05:13 GMT -5
Biggest wrestling star of all time (I know thats debatable) but he was a mainstream star while he was in the AWA and he had that role as Thunderlips in Rocky, he then the face of the wrestling boom of the 80's, he then carried that over to WCW and reinvented himself to help usher in a new era in the 90's and he became a realty TV star in the 00's and to this day whether you was born pre 1980, in the 80's, 90's or 00's you know who Hulk Hogan is and he was a top wrestling star.
The Rock maybe more famous to a younger audience but he is more known as a movie star than a wrestler, Hogan will always been known as wrestler first.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 24, 2022 9:42:53 GMT -5
Wrestling's Ty Cobb on several levels.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Mar 24, 2022 10:11:35 GMT -5
depends on what he does between now and the end.
At the moment he could be viewed as one of the most important wrestlers to ever have been in the business for how he was used to create two big boosts in the popularity of wrestling and as an example of how to behave character wise on screen (knowing how to play to the audience and when.) and how not to behave backstage (the politicking and backstabbing to the detriment of both product and company multiple times and companies.) and to fact check anything on social media asking you to retweet/mention it.
But that's leaving out how much of a shit person he has been proven to be away from the business (the racism, trying to pin the blame of his son crashing a car onto the friend it paralysed, the leaked sex tape where he cheated on his then wife which also exposed the racism, and so on) it's entirely possible he keeps quiet and lets nostalgia do it's thing and rose tinted glasses gloss over his major faults, but he could also go the other way and go off the rails in a way so bad that makes Ric Flair jealous for not thinking of doing it first, only time will tell on that though.
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Post by msc on Mar 24, 2022 10:36:31 GMT -5
Currently, probably a bit like Roald Dahl's legacy.
Dahl is widely regarded as one of the greatest childrens writers there ever was, to this day. His legacy of getting kids into reading is brilliant, as is his funding of medical research into brain injuries and helping to create a brain valve which saved thousands of lives, as well as his advocacy for child vaccination and road safety.
He was also a massive anti-semite, and casual racist. (Despite writing Poison at the start of his career, before anyone says.)
Society tends to focus on the former, with occasional reminders of the latter. I suspect that'll be Hogan's lot too.
Personally, I think the two go hand in hand. (In Dahl's case, the great and the bad are such large parts of who he is, but the former doesn't condone the latter, and the latter doesn't prevent the former being good deeds by a flawed human being.) So Hogan was one of the biggest draws in wrestling history and inspired shitloads of kids but he was also a huge racist feels like the ballpark imo.
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Post by salz4life on Mar 24, 2022 10:42:13 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan will be remembered as one of the greatest of all time who took wrestling to new heights twice. Terry Bolea will be remembered as a dickhead (putting it mildly) WWE is going to celebrate him (and Flair) when they pass away because of their contributions to "sports entertainment". Whether or not fans accept that is going to be a different story.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 24, 2022 10:43:01 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of apologism for Hogan's rascism in here. Not naming any names, but a lot of people here seem a bit too eager to casually dismiss it. Unfortunately I think the respect of Hulk the wrestler far outweighs the dislike of him as the person. When he dies I think anything negative will literally be a tiny part of massive articles about him that are so lengthy, fans skimming the article won't even see it. Fans adore Macho Man because of work rate. Nevermind he would have his wife locked up in locker rooms with a few guys he trusted watching her. Lex Luger, who wasn't as talented is vilified despite him turning his life around. Roddy Piper whose on screen racist acts that blurred the lines of fantasy and reality is deified because he was nice to every paying fan at autograph conventions. I think lots of fans even struggle with liking Chris Benoit. Fans desperately want to find a sliver of anything they can to like him. The brain damage excuse goes hand in hand with the killings, every time. Hulk is responsible for a large part of the childhoods of many of us on this board, even if we personally weren't a fan and most people will never be able to get over that-so they respect him. I wasn't a big Hulk fan as a kid and I can not excuse him as a person. But even if a lot of other fans liked Warrior, Macho, Roddy, Jake, Bossman etc more than Hulk-fans can't get over that it was Hulk who made the WWF so that it was so popular. I think fans should have stopped treating him as a legend after his son's car accident and how he acted on the jail house tapes. This is a man void of a conscience to believe in anyone other than himself or his immediate family. If any fan had been paralyzed in an accident caused by his son, caused by his drinking alcohol bought by Hulk, he would have acted just the same. He would have victim blamed, he would have tried to do the "izzle" carny crap to get one over on the jail house tapes, he would have tried to find a way to make this benefit him and his son. He doesn't care about you or I or anyone. Fans are a dollar sign to him. I love that Linda took him for whatever she could. It wasn't enough though. But I'm sure she learned how to put herself over at the expense of another because she learned it from her husband all the years they were married. Fans still pay hundreds for his toys, autographs and other items and his obituary will probably be pretty kind and the few that aren't will pretty much go unnoticed.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 24, 2022 10:48:17 GMT -5
Currently, probably a bit like Roald Dahl's legacy. Dahl is widely regarded as one of the greatest childrens writers there ever was, to this day. His legacy of getting kids into reading is brilliant, as is his funding of medical research into brain injuries and helping to create a brain valve which saved thousands of lives, as well as his advocacy for child vaccination and road safety. He was also a massive anti-semite, and casual racist. (Despite writing Poison at the start of his career, before anyone says.) Society tends to focus on the former, with occasional reminders of the latter. I suspect that'll be Hogan's lot too. Personally, I think the two go hand in hand. (In Dahl's case, the great and the bad are such large parts of who he is, but the former doesn't condone the latter, and the latter doesn't prevent the former being good deeds by a flawed human being.) So Hogan was one of the biggest draws in wrestling history and inspired shitloads of kids but he was also a huge racist feels like the ballpark imo. Excellent comparison. This says it better than I could, and is pretty much where I land on him
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 24, 2022 10:50:39 GMT -5
I feel like some people are underestimating how much his words (and the follow up to his apology, which makes the apology look hollow) are going to impact a big group of people and his legacy overall since, well, that stuff is going to be prominently brought up when he does pass. Complicated is a good word for it. The wider world doesn't care about Warrior's open bigotry anymore, nor does it care about the decade he spent laughing at his co-workers early deaths. When Hogan dies, the WWE will buy his likeness and trademarks and his history will be whitewashed just the same, with a Hogan award or Hogan tribute PPVs and neverending merch because he's not around to say or do anything stupid to make them a risky venture anymore. People will remember the matches, the promos and the gimmicks, everything else will be shrugged off, that process has already begun given how he;'s back getting WWE branded merch, appearing on TV every so often and in the games and they're getting no real flack for it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 24, 2022 10:56:17 GMT -5
Probably the most famous wrestler in history who damaged his legacy way less than by rights he should have via some 'super racist even for wrestling' views
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Post by eJm on Mar 24, 2022 11:04:28 GMT -5
I feel like some people are underestimating how much his words (and the follow up to his apology, which makes the apology look hollow) are going to impact a big group of people and his legacy overall since, well, that stuff is going to be prominently brought up when he does pass. Complicated is a good word for it. The wider world doesn't care about Warrior's open bigotry anymore, nor does it care about the decade he spent laughing at his co-workers early deaths. When Hogan dies, the WWE will buy his likeness and trademarks and his history will be whitewashed just the same, with a Hogan award or Hogan tribute PPVs and neverending merch because he's not around to say or do anything stupid to make them a risky venture anymore. People will remember the matches, the promos and the gimmicks, everything else will be shrugged off, that process has already begun given how he;'s back getting WWE branded merch, appearing on TV every so often and in the games and they're getting no real flack for it. The trouble with the Warrior comparison is that a) Warrior is absolutely nowhere near the big mainstream star Hogan was. That’s just a fact b) most of that content’s been erased from his blog and thus it’s not exactly something you can find without really digging and c) Hogan’s still alive. Unless he’s not going to show up anywhere again and keep his mouth shut (and he’s Hogan so there’s zero chance of it), that stuff is going to follow him for the rest of his life and people will be reminded of it when he dies. “Queering doesn’t make the world work” doesn’t have a Netflix documentary about the massive lawsuit that followed it up that killed an online platform. Gawker’s death is basically interlinked with Hogan being a massive racist now. That and how big Terry Bollela’s penis is compared to Hulk Hogan.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 24, 2022 11:11:43 GMT -5
Wouldn't be a Hulk Hogan thread without people making excuses for his racism.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 24, 2022 11:26:37 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of apologism for Hogan's rascism in here. Not naming any names, but a lot of people here seem a bit too eager to casually dismiss it. Unfortunately I think the respect of Hulk the wrestler far outweighs the dislike of him as the person. When he dies I think anything negative will literally be a tiny part of massive articles about him that are so lengthy, fans skimming the article won't even see it. Fans adore Macho Man because of work rate. Nevermind he would have his wife locked up in locker rooms with a few guys he trusted watching her. Lex Luger, who wasn't as talented is vilified despite him turning his life around. Roddy Piper whose on screen racist acts that blurred the lines of fantasy and reality is deified because he was nice to every paying fan at autograph conventions. I think lots of fans even struggle with liking Chris Benoit. Fans desperately want to find a sliver of anything they can to like him. The brain damage excuse goes hand in hand with the killings, every time. Hulk is responsible for a large part of the childhoods of many of us on this board, even if we personally weren't a fan and most people will never be able to get over that-so they respect him. I wasn't a big Hulk fan as a kid and I can not excuse him as a person. But even if a lot of other fans liked Warrior, Macho, Roddy, Jake, Bossman etc more than Hulk-fans can't get over that it was Hulk who made the WWF so that it was so popular. I think fans should have stopped treating him as a legend after his son's car accident and how he acted on the jail house tapes. This is a man void of a conscience to believe in anyone other than himself or his immediate family. If any fan had been paralyzed in an accident caused by his son, caused by his drinking alcohol bought by Hulk, he would have acted just the same. He would have victim blamed, he would have tried to do the "izzle" carny crap to get one over on the jail house tapes, he would have tried to find a way to make this benefit him and his son. He doesn't care about you or I or anyone. Fans are a dollar sign to him. I love that Linda took him for whatever she could. It wasn't enough though. But I'm sure she learned how to put herself over at the expense of another because she learned it from her husband all the years they were married. Fans still pay hundreds for his toys, autographs and other items and his obituary will probably be pretty kind and the few that aren't will pretty much go unnoticed. Honestly I think Hogan is really lucky social media wasn't what it is now when the jailhouse tapes came out. I legit believe that would have sunk his career far worse than the racist tirade if it came out in 2014.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 24, 2022 11:57:47 GMT -5
Wrestling's Ty Cobb on several levels. Nailed it. You could also say wrestling’s Cap Anson arguably.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 24, 2022 12:08:50 GMT -5
Honestly I think Hogan is really lucky social media wasn't what it is now when the jailhouse tapes came out. I legit believe that would have sunk his career far worse than the racist tirade if it came out in 2014. I think it would still be overlooked but I do believe he said what he said in the sex tape simply for attention, just to hear himself talk. He is a piece of crap person but I really don't think he sees race, creed, color etc...I just think he just doesn't see anyone else as being worthy of anything other than putting himself above them.
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Post by doinkmark on Mar 24, 2022 12:50:19 GMT -5
Wrestling's Ty Cobb on several levels. Who's Ty Cobb? Did I just fart?
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 24, 2022 13:10:21 GMT -5
Arguably the biggest name in wrestling, and he IS deserving of that professionally.
Yes, some of his personal issues and history can't be denied but the guy helped make wrestling what it is, through two of the most significant eras of the sport
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Post by Totorob101 on Mar 24, 2022 13:19:57 GMT -5
Hogan deserves nothing but contempt,the man was made by the many guys who he held down year after year and used his cloud to always come out on top of things. Hogan is an evil man, a racist and a liar and a nasty piece of work who should be forever tarnished rather then celebrated.
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