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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jan 28, 2007 2:43:37 GMT -5
I don't like it. I think it's a very selfish and pityful way to go and does nothing but make things worse for everyone.
But let's get one thing straight here. There's NOTHING "cowardly" about ending your life knowing full well what the hell you're doing.
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Post by retard on Jan 28, 2007 2:47:51 GMT -5
If what makes you want to kill yourself is something that can't be fixed/gotten over then it's a permanent solution to a short term problem.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Jan 28, 2007 3:14:48 GMT -5
I encourage anyone interested to kill themselves, more room around here for me.
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Post by Shark Jumpin' on Jan 28, 2007 3:25:07 GMT -5
A guy I knew in primary school just killed himself a few months back. It was weird to hear about it.
He'd been struggling with depression for years; almost all through high school, trying to hide it. On the one hand, it was selfish, but on the other hand, he'd tried to hold it off for so long.
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Post by The Line on Jan 28, 2007 3:28:42 GMT -5
My dad killed himself in March of 05. I still don't know how exactly. Its too touchy of a subject. I still to this day feel just as responsible as the day I found out.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 28, 2007 3:34:44 GMT -5
I went through a pretty major depression spin in the late 90's that wound up with a pair of attempts (and probably a dozen or so half-hearted ones). Looking back, I realize that things weren't as bad as they seemed, it was just things piling up, one after the other, and the massive drinking didn't hlep matters.
In hindsight, I'm glad I'm past that now, but I can say, I know how, when things start spiraling in a person's mind, it can get past you in a hurry.
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Post by Shark Jumpin' on Jan 28, 2007 3:56:14 GMT -5
Well this has to be the most depressing thread ever.
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Post by The Line on Jan 28, 2007 3:57:04 GMT -5
off-topic, but your sig is amazing. I missed it(I actually remembered it from this summer). You should post more.
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Post by tna on Jan 28, 2007 3:58:53 GMT -5
I was suicidal on and off for years when I was younger.
I don't want to get into detail or talk about it at the moment.
Hopefully, I've made the right choice by not going thru with it.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 28, 2007 11:41:14 GMT -5
i dont look at it as a selfish act, depends on the person really, when ive thought about it, i've looked at it as "noone cares anyway" not, "oh, this'll get them back" it comes from depression, people do things that affect others sometimes in ways that theyd rather not, but it just works out that way
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Post by The son of a plumber. on Jan 28, 2007 12:02:59 GMT -5
I hope that no one would kill themselves, Its a terrible event. I think people need to stop and take a step back in life when they get to that moment where it seems like a good option. Its felt like one for me many times and I have always realized it before i let it spiral out of control. It just sad when people dont think they have anyone, at the worst times in peoples lifes is when they find the people who mean the most.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2007 12:08:38 GMT -5
Personally, I think it depends on the situation, I think that life is the best gift i can ever possibly recieve and thus will never ever try to commit suicide.
But a few years back I was at a friends when he told me that he has tryed to kill himself, I didnt believe him until he showed me a note he had wrote to his parents in his blood. The thing was this guy had had absolutely nothing bad happen to him and suicide was just unreasonable, in this case I can see it as a cowardly act to try to get some attention.
On the other hand suicide when you know full well you are going to be tortured and killed anyways or have been defeated and thus do it to maintain your honour are fully understandable in my opinion, I understand why you would want to in one of those situations and don't see it as being as bad as doing it to try and grab some cheap attention you won't be around to prosper from anyway.
I do know what its like because i've stopped myself twice from doing it last year, I just felt life was'nt doing anything for me and it would'nt get any better, im glad i did'nt do it now though because i've never been happier.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jan 28, 2007 12:17:01 GMT -5
If someone wants to kill themselves, that's their right. I think that people committing suicide often probably don't consider how it will affect their family and friends that love them. But as long as a person is just killing themself and not killing another person, I think it's their right.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 28, 2007 13:43:25 GMT -5
My thoughts are that is very sad and that a better understanding/acceptence of mental health issues in people would help decrease the amount of people that take their own lives because they don't feel they have a place to go. As someone who's dealt with depression, I'm with this way of thinking. It may seem like the coward's way out, but there can be points when there's no way out of it. Depression is a hell unto itself that if you don't know someone who has it or have had it yourself, you'll never understand.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 28, 2007 13:58:43 GMT -5
I think both sides of the argument have valid points. I'd be lying if I said the thought had never come to my mind, but I know how much effect it would have on my family, and I wouldn't want to do that to them (nor would I want them to do that to me).
On the other hand, how many people were ever asked if they wanted to be born? No one. We were put on this earth and placed into an environment that none of us chose for ourselves. In other words, we are like animals. Told to live within society's limits, reproduce, and then die. That's probably why people look to religion, because reality is really not a very pleasant sight to some people (me included).
I don't like it when people are condescending towards those with depression. I've never experienced full depression, but it's something that shouldn't be taken as a sign of weakness. It's not. Some people just don't enjoy living, and they shouldn't be looked down upon for that. Unless you've been to that place and experienced the feeling yourself, you're in no way capable of looking down on someone for feeling that way.
Am I for or against suicide? I can't answer that. I wouldn't want any of my family to do it. My family wouldn't want me to do it. It's two sides of selfishness, and neither side is wrong in feeling that way. Very tough subject to talk about.
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Post by hbk619 - QUACK! on Jan 28, 2007 14:14:13 GMT -5
My thoughts are that is very sad and that a better understanding/acceptence of mental health issues in people would help decrease the amount of people that take their own lives because they don't feel they have a place to go.
agreed.
by a person who didn't care about those around him/her and didn't try to get help.
that is an assumption, they didn;'t try to get help. if they did, does your view change?
i've been close. standing in front of the "drug" cupboard, don't even know how i got there. the thought of what it would to do one person (who i brealy see now) was what pulled me back. why do people kill themselves? how longs a piece of string?
is it cowardly? no. otherwise, everyone would do it at the first sign of unhappyness.
everycase is individual and should be treated as such
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Post by joeman on Jan 29, 2007 0:06:11 GMT -5
Really depends on the situation really. I had many suicidal attempts in the past few years that ranged from "being useless to the world" to "there is no purpose in life and what is the point of suffering". The latter statement was during my times as an agnostic borderline atheist, as I believed that is no merit in living and anything we do in our life time means nothing in the next decade after death. This also has some existential bearings to it, as I was also studying philosophy at the time.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 29, 2007 0:14:01 GMT -5
This thread really hits me hard, as I've had that problem of suicidal thoughts for years, and I'm currently on anti depressant medications. I've been actually pretty close to killing myself. One night on December 31st of last year, I was extremely depressed because of something that happened with a friend of mine, and an anniversery which was really hard as well. I was really upset that night, I was cutting and taking a lot of pills that I stashed under the bed for awhile (just in case I wanted to kill myself). I ended up being freaked out and messed up and called 911 on myself.
I was taken to the hospital, and they tried to give me charcoil to empty my stomach, but I always threw it up. So they had to shove a tube in my nose into my stomach to get it in me, in which I still kept throwing it up. I had that tube in my nose for about 24 hours, as well as many tubes and IV's in my arm, and even a cafader, which for those who don't know, is a tube that goes in one's bladder, and where do you think they put that to get it in my bladder.
The doctor told me had I not called 911, I would have died. I spent 48 hours in the Coronary Care Unit, and 3 days in a mental ward.
Suicide is something that's extremely rough. It's not cowardly, and I hate everyone who says that. How the f*** do you know what that person is going through? How the f*** is that person a coward? It needs to be stopped and helped as much as humanly possible. Even now I still have suicidal thoughts, depending how bad things get. I've talked people out of it before, and it is a scary thing. People who are suicidal need help as soon as possible, and should not be subject to ridicule or feelings that they are "cowards".
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Post by normcoleman on Jan 29, 2007 0:18:58 GMT -5
Sucide victims and sucidal people need our love, not our wrath
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Post by Bhester on Jan 29, 2007 0:20:00 GMT -5
Cowaradly way out of life.
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