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Post by ChitownKnight on Apr 2, 2022 11:21:33 GMT -5
What would you say it is?
WWE: Hogan vs Andre WM 3 or Rock vs Austin WM 17
WCW: Sting vs Hogan Starrcade 97
AEW: Hangman Page vs Kenny Omega Full Gear 21
NWA: Flair vs Harley Race Starrcade 83
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Apr 2, 2022 11:35:11 GMT -5
For a lot of infamous reasons....
WWE: Diesel vs. King Mabel SummerSlam 1995
WCW: Hogan vs. Nash 1/4/1999
TNA: Sharmell vs. Jenna Morasca
ECW: Extreme Elimination Chamber
AEW: Jon Moxley vs. Kenny Omega Exploding Ring Match
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 2, 2022 11:40:39 GMT -5
TNA: The first Angle/Joe match
ECW: Sabu v Taz at Barely Legal
ROH: Joe v Kobashi
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 2, 2022 11:53:32 GMT -5
TNA: The first Angle/Joe match I would say the Angle/Joe match from Lockdown 2008. Got the biggest buyrate in TNA history. |
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Post by noobeast on Apr 2, 2022 12:27:59 GMT -5
I think it would depend on how you define "big."
Let's take WWE for example. It's easy to say Hogan-Andre is the biggest because it's probably the most iconic match of all time.
But, if you look at it a different way, then you would almost HAVE to say that Mr.T/Hogan vs. Piper/Orndorff from Mania 1 would be the biggest match. It was the main event and draw of a show that Vince McMahon bet his entire future and company on. Without it being a success, there would be no other matches to even compare.
At the same time though, it feels like a case could easily be made for Michaels/Austin at 14, which was the match that cemented Austin as the biggest star in the history of the business and put the Attitude Era on track to being the biggest boom period in it's history.
But then again, couldn't a case be made for Hogan/Rock from Wrestlemania 18? 2 of the biggest icons in the history of the business clashing, and while it may not have been the "main event", everyone knows the show was built on the back of that match. It did the highest buy rate of any PPV at the time, and grossed over 6 million at the gate, so it's kinda the biggest...
...what about Cena/Rock at 28, though? Literally the biggest selling match in not just WWE, but wrestling PPV HISTORY. So how could it not even get a mention?
So depending on what metric we're using to define "big", the answers will vary wildly, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 12:47:30 GMT -5
Interpreting 'biggest' as 'most important/historic'...
WWF/E: Hogan vs Andre WM3 - an actual cultural landmark. the peak of wwe's biggest era. be if 76 or 94 thousand or whatever the totals are, a massive crowd and the defining moment of two of wrestling's biggest stars. The match is dogshit, but that doesn't matter, it's a genuine bigger than life moment.
AEW: Omega vs Page All out 2021 - the end of a two year story, the crowning of a home grown star as champion. Not the best match in AEW history, but the most important.
WCW: Hogan vs Goldberg, Nitro 1998 - it was too soon, it was rushed, but it was the most important. The peak of WCW and it was all downhill from there.
TNA: Joe vs Angle, the first one - Incredible match and the moment where it really felt like TNA was going to break out and become a big deal (Arrested Development guy) it wasn't.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Apr 2, 2022 13:45:49 GMT -5
I think it would depend on how you define "big." Let's take WWE for example. It's easy to say Hogan-Andre is the biggest because it's probably the most iconic match of all time. But, if you look at it a different way, then you would almost HAVE to say that Mr.T/Hogan vs. Piper/Orndorff from Mania 1 would be the biggest match. It was the main event and draw of a show that Vince McMahon bet his entire future and company on. Without it being a success, there would be no other matches to even compare. At the same time though, it feels like a case could easily be made for Michaels/Austin at 14, which was the match that cemented Austin as the biggest star in the history of the business and put the Attitude Era on track to being the biggest boom period in it's history. But then again, couldn't a case be made for Hogan/Rock from Wrestlemania 18? 2 of the biggest icons in the history of the business clashing, and while it may not have been the "main event", everyone knows the show was built on the back of that match. It did the highest buy rate of any PPV at the time, and grossed over 6 million at the gate, so it's kinda the biggest... ...what about Cena/Rock at 28, though? Literally the biggest selling match in not just WWE, but wrestling PPV HISTORY. So how could it not even get a mention? So depending on what metric we're using to define "big", the answers will vary wildly, I think. The Mania 1 main event is an interesting contender due to, as you said, it flops and Vince is out of the game. I think that’s the only option where a business answer can compete with Hogan/Andre. On the flip side, however, no one talks about the match itself anymore (which stunk) while Hogan/Andre lives on to this day. Austin could have wrestled The New Blackjacks in a handicap match at Mania XIV; as long as he ended up with the title, the match itself was secondary. And Hogan/Rock and Cena/Rock were just piling more money into the bank at a time when they had no competition to worry about. And of course Hogan/Andre cemented the notion of Wrestlemania as THE biggest show in wrestling. It’s the reason they’re making millions this weekend with an incredibly subpar card. So in addition to its “cultural” value as the biggest match ever, it also has its own lasting business contribution as well. All huge matches to be sure, but I’ll always go Hogan/Andre. |
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Post by tafkaga on Apr 2, 2022 14:45:35 GMT -5
Biggest match ever:
WWF: Yokozuna vs. Mabel
WCW: Giant vs. Loch Ness
AWA: Jerry Blackwell vs. Andre
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 2, 2022 15:58:20 GMT -5
What would you say it is? WWE: Hogan vs Andre WM 3 or Rock vs Austin WM 17 WCW: Sting vs Hogan Starrcade 97 AEW: Hangman Page vs Kenny Omega Full Gear 21 NWA: Flair vs Harley Race Starrcade 83 For WWE of it could be argued that Hogan VS Savage at WM5 is the biggest match. It was the highest grossing and biggest buy rate at mania for like 10 years. |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 2, 2022 16:49:15 GMT -5
The Greatest Royal Rumble for WWE, one of the World War 3s for WCW, and pick a New Japan Rumble.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Apr 3, 2022 3:03:58 GMT -5
TNA: The first Angle/Joe match I would say the Angle/Joe match from Lockdown 2008. Got the biggest buyrate in TNA history. Pretty sure Genesis 2006, the first Joe vs Angle match, received the biggest buyrate in TNA history. Jarrett and Conrad have brought it up several times on Jarrett's podcast. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 3, 2022 5:27:31 GMT -5
I would say the Angle/Joe match from Lockdown 2008. Got the biggest buyrate in TNA history. Pretty sure Genesis 2006, the first Joe vs Angle match, received the biggest buyrate in TNA history. Jarrett and Conrad have brought it up several times on Jarrett's podcast. . Genesis 2006 did 55-60,000, Lockdown 2008 did 50-55,000 according to the site. I remember hearing that Lockdown 2008 did over 80,000, but can't remember where. |
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Apr 3, 2022 8:21:38 GMT -5
Pretty sure Genesis 2006, the first Joe vs Angle match, received the biggest buyrate in TNA history. Jarrett and Conrad have brought it up several times on Jarrett's podcast. . Genesis 2006 did 55-60,000, Lockdown 2008 did 50-55,000 according to the site. I remember hearing that Lockdown 2008 did over 80,000, but can't remember where. Did you possibly hear that from Russo's lying mouth? |
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 3, 2022 10:32:08 GMT -5
Regardless of buyrate I still think the Unbreakable triple threat is TNA's biggest match.
Without it Angle Vs Joe wouldn't have meant as much. Hell maybe Angle wouldn't even have joined, it was essentially their business card, this is a promotion worth paying attention to.
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Post by Aceorton on Apr 5, 2022 12:18:41 GMT -5
For the WWF, nothing had the "Oh, mannnnnnnn" hype that Hogan-Andre did. The first WrestleMania buildup and main event got Vince on solid financial footing and thrust his product into the mainstream, yes, but Hogan-Andre was what took it over the top and sustained the boom period for the entire industry for the next few years. Without a WM3 main event of that magnitude, it's conceivable that wrestling would have "run its course" as a pop culture phenomenon by late '87 or '88 (look how fast other hot '80s properties like Masters of the Universe and BMX fizzled). That would have affected everything that came later, including the career development of the guys who ended up fueling the late-'90s explosion.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Apr 5, 2022 16:37:04 GMT -5
For a lot of infamous reasons.... WWE: Diesel vs. King Mabel SummerSlam 1995 WCW: Hogan vs. Nash 1/4/1999 TNA: Sharmell vs. Jenna Morasca ECW: Extreme Elimination Chamber AEW: Jon Moxley vs. Kenny Omega Exploding Ring Match Kevin Nash is a star! --- WWE - Montreal Screw job as it changed the outlook of the industry forever and it's ramifications are still felt today - heel authority figure, a shift in WWF's production, etc |
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