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Post by Mandarin Dessert Version 0 on Apr 2, 2022 12:34:54 GMT -5
Watching the first Mae Young Classic from 2017 currently, I noticed after Shayna Baszler's second round win against Mia Yim, that there were some spats in the crowd where you had on one side of the crowd entrance Ronda Rousey, Marina Shafir and Jessamyn Duke and on the other Bayley, Charlotte Flair and Becky Lynch.
Having seen that made me wonder if there were any plans to have an actual match between the wrestling horsewomen and the MMA horsewomen at some point? Being in 2017, this was still a ways away from Ronda's one-year run on the roster, so I wonder if that was ever followed up on?
If not, did something ever came to light why it didn't pan out? Did Ronda's departure in 2019 derail it (since Shayna, Marina and Jessamyn were still in NXT at that point)? Or was it (this being from what I have heard since I have never seen them wrestle) that Marina and Jessamyn just didn't transition as well into wrestlers as they hoped?
Am just curious if it was just a one-off and never followed up on or if they had any plans for it.
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Post by Instant Classic on Apr 2, 2022 13:07:06 GMT -5
It would have been cool, but two of the 4 MMA horsewomen were nobodies in WWE.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2022 13:15:08 GMT -5
It would have been cool, but two of the 4 MMA horsewomen were nobodies in WWE. Two of them were nobodies in MMA, too. It was always marketing hype riding the Ronda wave, but Duke and Shafir have 3-5-1 and 1-2 professional records. WWE hopped onto the hype because nobody running it actually knows MMA and they thought there was more actual media attention there, but once Ronda came in to WWE her own star was already faded, so the "stars" of her entourage were always going to be completely burnt out. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 2, 2022 14:29:55 GMT -5
I guess maybe there were plans for it at some point. Honestly I'm glad they never did it as it wouldn't have been any good and nobody would've cared. As mentioned Shafir and Duke were nobodies both in WWE and MMA and also weren't any good. In the world of WWE it would've been such a mismatch as it would've been the four most consistently pushed top female stars against Ronda Rousey, a midcarder, and two jobbers.
Like if you did the Survivor Series match that everyone was speculating about for some reason how could you honestly book it in any way other then a lopsided win for WWE 4HW? Shafir and Duke would have to be the first two out as honestly any of the WWE 4HW getting taken out before them would be disrespectful to them. I guess you could have Shayna take out either Sasha or Bayley before getting taken out herself. That would leave Ronda three on one. Ronda takes out whoever's left out of Sasha/Bayley. Then she takes out Charlotte or Becky before losing to the other. It would be really hard not to book it competitive due to the big gap in kayfabe powers and just sheer talent.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 2, 2022 14:40:47 GMT -5
Probably, but it would've been a mismatch. Duke and Shafir would've been weighing down the MMA side so much with their actual greenness. Shafir seems to have picked it up well enough eventually, though.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2022 14:42:11 GMT -5
It would have been cool, but two of the 4 MMA horsewomen were nobodies in WWE. Two of them were nobodies in MMA, too. It was always marketing hype riding the Ronda wave, but Duke and Shafir have 3-5-1 and 1-2 professional records. WWE hopped onto the hype because nobody running it actually knows MMA and they thought there was more actual media attention there, but once Ronda came in to WWE her own star was already faded, so the "stars" of her entourage were always going to be completely burnt out. Even Baszler who managed to actually do something in wrestling wasn't really a thing in MMA either... the MMA 4HW were basically Ronda and her 3 hangers on. there was undoubtedly a plan at one point to make a HW vs. HW but with Shafir and Duke not picking up the wrestling aspects probably killed it. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2022 14:47:09 GMT -5
Two of them were nobodies in MMA, too. It was always marketing hype riding the Ronda wave, but Duke and Shafir have 3-5-1 and 1-2 professional records. WWE hopped onto the hype because nobody running it actually knows MMA and they thought there was more actual media attention there, but once Ronda came in to WWE her own star was already faded, so the "stars" of her entourage were always going to be completely burnt out. Even Baszler who managed to actually do something in wrestling wasn't really a thing in MMA either... the MMA 4HW were basically Ronda and her 3 hangers on. there was undoubtedly a plan at one point to make a HW vs. HW but with Shafir and Duke not picking up the wrestling aspects probably killed it. Shayna at least has some minor gold and a winning record which puts her galaxies ahead by comparison, but yeah on any kind of big stage she didn't deliver. 1-2 in Invictia, 0-2 in UFC. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 15:01:15 GMT -5
I still remember when the other two were wrestling in NXT and the crowd kept chanting, "Please tag Shayna."
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 2, 2022 20:12:48 GMT -5
They were absolutely planning this angle and teased it a lot and Shafir and Dukes just didn't get better enough and didn't get over enough
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 2, 2022 21:29:15 GMT -5
They definitely considered it but Shafir and Duke never really amounted to anything and they probably lost interest even before Ronda split.
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Post by karl100589 on Apr 3, 2022 4:30:57 GMT -5
Two of them were nobodies in MMA, too. It was always marketing hype riding the Ronda wave, but Duke and Shafir have 3-5-1 and 1-2 professional records. WWE hopped onto the hype because nobody running it actually knows MMA and they thought there was more actual media attention there, but once Ronda came in to WWE her own star was already faded, so the "stars" of her entourage were always going to be completely burnt out. Even Baszler who managed to actually do something in wrestling wasn't really a thing in MMA either... the MMA 4HW were basically Ronda and her 3 hangers on. there was undoubtedly a plan at one point to make a HW vs. HW but with Shafir and Duke not picking up the wrestling aspects probably killed it. Shayna was one of the WMMA OGs, the first person to do a televised twister IIRC. The problem was she was out her prime by the time the women’s side of the sport got mainstream exposure. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 3, 2022 6:40:43 GMT -5
Even Baszler who managed to actually do something in wrestling wasn't really a thing in MMA either... the MMA 4HW were basically Ronda and her 3 hangers on. there was undoubtedly a plan at one point to make a HW vs. HW but with Shafir and Duke not picking up the wrestling aspects probably killed it. Shayna was one of the WMMA OGs, the first person to do a televised twister IIRC. The problem was she was out her prime by the time the women’s side of the sport got mainstream exposure. Yeah, that's probably the better way to put it than my post. Shayna did have something going for her, she was just already on a downslide by the time UFC started going for that. She also had the most graceful wrestling transition by getting out of MMA early and honing herself on the indies and with training from Josh Barnett, which gave her a good head start over the others in terms of picking it up fluidly. |
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