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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 4, 2022 2:11:40 GMT -5
In the modern wrestling era of big time wrestling?
I mean, I’m surprised how many guys we got in the last 12 months who not only got to keep their name, but their music.
Cm punk
Jeff hardy
Cody Rhodes
Hardcore country mickie James
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Apr 4, 2022 3:50:30 GMT -5
I wonder how much the lack of real kayfabe has to do with this, on top of name value of course.
Back in the day before social media really pulled down the curtain, gimmicks and characters were a lot more protected, and even though most people would know that Goldust was actually Dustin Runnels, or more recently that Tensai was Albert, but it didn't stop WWE trying to repackage and create their own character.
Of course they still do it with Indy talent to an extent, but it's less common due to everyone knowing full well who these people are not just in the ring but behind the scenes too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 6:47:12 GMT -5
Raven, repeatedly.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 4, 2022 7:19:30 GMT -5
Music is going to be the great filter on this one. Because, despite their reputation, WWE has been bringing in popular American Indy wrestlers for years and letting them basically be the same character. Cole, Fish, and O’Reilly are the same guys in AEW that they were in WWE and ROH. Samoa Joe and AJ Styles came in as themselves. They made Kevin Steen become Kevin Owens, but everything else is the same. But WWE is notoriously stingy about music - they don’t want to pay for it; they want to make money from it. So all those guys had to get their own themes.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 4, 2022 8:16:53 GMT -5
Didn't use Come Out And Play in WWF, WCW, TNA. So does it count? Does it also count considering his change from grunge Raven to kilted Raven and such? |
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 4, 2022 8:17:48 GMT -5
Just as expansion began, you had Junkyard Dog in the WWF, still using Another One Bites The Dust and all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 8:31:21 GMT -5
Didn't use Come Out And Play in WWF, WCW, TNA. So does it count? Does it also count considering his change from grunge Raven to kilted Raven and such? Oh I see, I missed the music part, was just thinking character & continuity. |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 4, 2022 8:48:11 GMT -5
I'm guessing either Cody owns the rights to his theme song, or WWE buying them was part of the agreement.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 4, 2022 8:50:29 GMT -5
Didn't use Come Out And Play in WWF, WCW, TNA. So does it count? Does it also count considering his change from grunge Raven to kilted Raven and such? Oh I see, I missed the music part, was just thinking character & continuity. Well the character wasn't even consistent. I'd say his ECW incarnation was darker in general. In WCW, WWF, TNA, and even ECW the second time around, he added more humor to it and more of a traditional heel character. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 4, 2022 8:51:02 GMT -5
Name change I know, but didn't R-Truth have the same music in TNA as he did in WWE?
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Post by Burst on Apr 4, 2022 8:54:36 GMT -5
Would we be willing to count "close enough" versions of themes? Just thinking of Booker T having pretty much the same music and gimmick from the Harlem Heat era to TNA with really the only changes being him going from the Harlem Heat singlets to long tights to trunks and shaving the mustache and growing out the dreads. Obviously his TNA wasn't exactly the same but it's clear that the intent was to get it as close to his old theme as possible (in contrast to say, Kurt Angle's TNA theme versus his WWE theme).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 8:56:50 GMT -5
Oh I see, I missed the music part, was just thinking character & continuity. Well the character wasn't even consistent. I'd say his ECW incarnation was darker in general. In WCW, WWF, TNA, and even ECW the second time around, he added more humor to it and more of a traditional heel character. Disagreeing on that part. Whilst the presentation changed slightly (and yes ECW Raven is the peak of the character) the character was consistent between all the major companies, with different feuds feeding into changes in the character between promotions. 'Lore' if you will. |
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Post by tafkaga on Apr 4, 2022 9:25:05 GMT -5
Nasty Boys from WWF to WCW theme (pre-lyrics) was so close to identical that it might as well have been the same theme.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 9:30:15 GMT -5
Ric Flair went from company to company with the exact same name, gimmick, presentation, and theme music. The music was easier for him since he just entered to Also Sprach Zarasthura.
Andre the Giant was always just Andre the Giant, everywhere he went.
Abdullah the Butcher and Kamala made careers of this even as late as the 90s.
I guess it depends on what we’re calling the modern era of big time wrestling. To me, that would be post-1985. If we’re just talking post-2001, then I think we’ve covered everyone, because WWE’s monopoly really kind of prevented this from happening until AEW came around.
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Post by petef3 on Apr 4, 2022 9:39:31 GMT -5
Kamala even used his most familiar tribal music (his 1987 and '92-'93 themes) in multiple places. He definitely used it in the UWF.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 4, 2022 13:09:29 GMT -5
Oh I see, I missed the music part, was just thinking character & continuity. Well the character wasn't even consistent. I'd say his ECW incarnation was darker in general. In WCW, WWF, TNA, and even ECW the second time around, he added more humor to it and more of a traditional heel character. Would you say at the beginning his WCW character was the same as his ECW one? The comedy came later on, didn't it? |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 4, 2022 13:10:22 GMT -5
Name change I know, but didn't R-Truth have the same music in TNA as he did in WWE? I think so. Isn't it literally his song as well? |
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Post by 67 more on Apr 4, 2022 13:13:41 GMT -5
Didn't use Come Out And Play in WWF, WCW, TNA. So does it count? Does it also count considering his change from grunge Raven to kilted Raven and such? He did have a Dale Oliver version though. Dale Oliver, for when a Jimmy Hart version seems too much effort. |
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Post by Chris Legentil -- Mind Freak on Apr 4, 2022 13:15:53 GMT -5
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HOLY SHIT IT'S MR HUGHES
DO IT ALL IN SLACKS AND A WHITE T
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 4, 2022 13:35:33 GMT -5
Well the character wasn't even consistent. I'd say his ECW incarnation was darker in general. In WCW, WWF, TNA, and even ECW the second time around, he added more humor to it and more of a traditional heel character. Would you say at the beginning his WCW character was the same as his ECW one? The comedy came later on, didn't it? A PG version of the ECW character, yes. I think he started being more of a composite Scotty/Raven after the At Home skits. |
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