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Post by 67 more on Apr 11, 2022 11:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 11, 2022 12:15:48 GMT -5
As soon as I read, “…a German suplex into the turnbuckle,” my first thought was, “What the f*** were they thinking?””
I hope he makes a recovery, it’s not out of the question that it could happen.
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Convoy
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Post by Convoy on Apr 11, 2022 13:40:20 GMT -5
It was briefly mentioned in a New Japan thread, but yeah, this is horrifying and sad.
The small beam of hope is that there is not an official word shared yet, but this does look like a Takayama scenario, which is just awful.
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Apr 11, 2022 15:33:28 GMT -5
This is so sad. I hope he can make a recovery.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 11, 2022 15:44:51 GMT -5
It was briefly mentioned in a New Japan thread, but yeah, this is horrifying and sad. The small beam of hope is that there is not an official word shared yet, but this does look like a Takayama scenario, which is just awful. A little OT, but wasn't Takayama's injury exaserbated by having a degenerative spinal condition (probably unknown to him at the time)? I feel like I remember reading that. Anyway, this is awful news. I hope that's the last time we see that move.
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Post by Fundertaker on Apr 11, 2022 17:44:50 GMT -5
It was briefly mentioned in a New Japan thread, but yeah, this is horrifying and sad. The small beam of hope is that there is not an official word shared yet, but this does look like a Takayama scenario, which is just awful. A little OT, but wasn't Takayama's injury exaserbated by having a degenerative spinal condition (probably unknown to him at the time)? I feel like I remember reading that. Anyway, this is awful news. I hope that's the last time we see that move. Well, Takayama had already had a stroke incident after a match and some other big injuries to boot, so some signs were there (also kinda why he was wrestling for DDT at the time, since it wouldn't ask much of him) and he's a big dude to boot. As for Otani, I only wish him the speediest recovery. As for the spot itself, it's one that Sugiura has done multiple times without any problems arising from it, but it is indeed a stupidly dangerous spot that's wholy unnecessary in his matches.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 11, 2022 17:55:57 GMT -5
A little OT, but wasn't Takayama's injury exaserbated by having a degenerative spinal condition (probably unknown to him at the time)? I feel like I remember reading that. Anyway, this is awful news. I hope that's the last time we see that move. Well, Takayama had already had a stroke incident after a match and some other big injuries to boot, so some signs were there (also kinda why he was wrestling for DDT at the time, since it wouldn't ask much of him) and he's a big dude to boot. As for Otani, I only wish him the speediest recovery. As for the spot itself, it's one that Sugiura has done multiple times without any problems arising from it, but it is indeed a stupidly dangerous spot that's wholy unnecessary in his matches. I just don’t get spots like that, especially when it’s not the finish. If you have a spot that looks as dangerous as that, but then your finish is something less impactful, it does t really make sense. And yes I get the whole accumulated punishment aspect, but it doesn’t help the optics there.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 11, 2022 18:46:53 GMT -5
I am hoping for the absolute best, it goes without saying.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 11, 2022 19:00:40 GMT -5
What a stupid f***ing move. Like... why?
Hope the First WCW Cruiserweight Champion recovers.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 11, 2022 19:20:22 GMT -5
I always am of the school that spots like that are a young man's game, we've seen time and time again older wrestlers getting hurt from spots like that. And I hope Otani recovers but geezus he shouldn't have taken that move
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Post by fw91 on Apr 11, 2022 20:12:20 GMT -5
Not familiar with his work at all, but you hate to read about this type of stuff. Hoping for a recovery.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 12, 2022 21:04:57 GMT -5
I always am of the school that spots like that are a young man's game, we've seen time and time again older wrestlers getting hurt from spots like that. And I hope Otani recovers but geezus he shouldn't have taken that move I really feel like the two Suzukis(Minoru and Hideki) as well as Nagata should be the model for the aging veterans in wrestling.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Apr 12, 2022 22:53:20 GMT -5
Damn... here's hoping that the condition is temporary.
Some of these spots are just... I can see it happening 'accidentally' during a match but having them as a regular move is just dangerous.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 12, 2022 23:17:10 GMT -5
Damn... here's hoping that the condition is temporary. Some of these spots are just... I can see it happening 'accidentally' during a match but having them as a regular move is just dangerous. How do you accidentally German someone into the turnbuckle? If you’re close enough where that might happen, don’t attempt it. You can do a reverse sequence and maneuver it toward the center of the ring.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Apr 12, 2022 23:58:30 GMT -5
Damn... here's hoping that the condition is temporary. Some of these spots are just... I can see it happening 'accidentally' during a match but having them as a regular move is just dangerous. How do you accidentally German someone into the turnbuckle? If you’re close enough where that might happen, don’t attempt it. You can do a reverse sequence and maneuver it toward the center of the ring. I could see it being planned in a match where someone would lose track of exactly where they were in the ring, counter-counter-counter-etc. and throw into the corner. And then the ref stops the action to check on the wrestler. Having it occur as a 'booked accident' like the Ganso Bomb... No, you're right, wrestlers should know better than try to attempt it. Typing this out made me think of the the CMLL wrestler Oro and how he died, trying to duplicate a dangerous move from Japan. Too many good wrestlers have been hurt taking these stupid spots. I am sorry I tried to defend it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 13, 2022 0:08:55 GMT -5
These types of injuries can happen on the most mundane of wrestling spots, it's just the nature of being in it, but my god dude, you're 49, there is literally no reason to be taking a Buckle German at 49
This shit almost ended Sting's career. Buckle moves are pretty safe when done right but I would think the older you are, the less you should be doing them, focusing on other spots that would better adhere to your style, like someone already said in the thread, Suzuki is a great example, as is Yuji Nagata. If it was an accident like some speculate, then that's just even more unfortunate, ring awareness is a real thing, you hold someone's safety in your hands at that point.
I hope for the best, and that he can make a full recovery from this situation.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 13, 2022 0:22:27 GMT -5
Buckle moves are pretty safe when done right Buckle bombs, sure, again if done correctly. But I feel like anything where they are blindly thrown backwards over the other guys head into the buckle, or even the top rope brain buster, to me, you’re taking an exponentially more dangerous risk if there’s a misstep.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 13, 2022 0:24:57 GMT -5
Buckle moves are pretty safe when done right Buckle bombs, sure, again if done correctly. But I feel like anything where they are blindly thrown backwards over the other guys head into the buckle, or even the top rope brain buster, to me, you’re taking an exponentially more dangerous risk if there’s a misstep. Isn't this what also got Janela heat and liked killed his TV bookings? He said him busting Adam Page open hardway got him a lot of flack backstage and I'm pretty sure it was when he did his Apron German and spiked him like forehead first into the bottom buckle. Maybe this is a move that they should stop doing.
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Post by hyperstorm on Apr 13, 2022 20:03:44 GMT -5
Buckle bombs, sure, again if done correctly. But I feel like anything where they are blindly thrown backwards over the other guys head into the buckle, or even the top rope brain buster, to me, you’re taking an exponentially more dangerous risk if there’s a misstep. Isn't this what also got Janela heat and liked killed his TV bookings? He said him busting Adam Page open hardway got him a lot of flack backstage and I'm pretty sure it was when he did his Apron German and spiked him like forehead first into the bottom buckle. Maybe this is a move that they should stop doing. No, Page got busted open in that match when Janela’s knee brace sliced his head open when Page was getting him up for a powerbomb, in fact the only serious injury in that match was Page giving Janela a concussion. You might be thinking of Janela’s match with Kingston where he botched a superkick and broke Kingston’s orbital bone.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 13, 2022 20:05:01 GMT -5
Isn't this what also got Janela heat and liked killed his TV bookings? He said him busting Adam Page open hardway got him a lot of flack backstage and I'm pretty sure it was when he did his Apron German and spiked him like forehead first into the bottom buckle. Maybe this is a move that they should stop doing. No, Page got busted open in that match when Janela’s knee brace sliced his head open when Page was getting him up for a powerbomb, in fact the only serious injury in that match was Page giving Janela a concussion. You might be thinking of Janela’s match with Kingston where he botched a superkick and broke Kingston’s orbital bone. Thanks for clarifying, probably that yes
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