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Post by stoptheclocks on May 4, 2022 14:58:00 GMT -5
Obviously the range of outcomes for this are literally anything from nothing to changing the business forever... but Freddie seems awesome so I'm in.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 15:08:30 GMT -5
Yep, and for that reason WWE and AEW are gonna try to stop it. No wrestling company wants a union to be formed. I think the "advantage" compared to just forming a union is that the framework is there already. I don't know the process but it can't be as complicated as, say, getting a union set up for Starbucks or Amazon or something like that. I also sort of think the problem with asking for a new LU is that the format was so niche and basically supported off the name of Robert Rodriguez that the ratings it did doesn't really justify trying again. But then we all thought Turner would never go into wrestling again after the money pit that was WCW and here we are. Of course I was going to respond to this because it is my bat signal lol. To say it was only supported off of the name of Robert Rodriguez ignores MGM and ya know just the guy who basically perfected reality television in Mark Burnett , like you throw a huge blanket by saying that and ignoring the other very large names behind the show. And when you bring up ratings you can't do that without actually bringing up the fact that ya know it was on an upstart network that was...like when people talk about LU from the business side there is so much context needed. But to me a large reason we wont see anyone else even try especially Freddy is because he would not want to spend the money. LU at its most expensive was 18mil for season 3 at 40 episodes...Freddy from interviews isn't gonna be nore is he willing to spend anywhere near that ammount and no way in hell would he be getting 40 episodes if he were to go in a seasonal format...which if he does the SAG thing almost seems a sure thing.
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Post by eJm on May 4, 2022 15:16:39 GMT -5
I think the "advantage" compared to just forming a union is that the framework is there already. I don't know the process but it can't be as complicated as, say, getting a union set up for Starbucks or Amazon or something like that. I also sort of think the problem with asking for a new LU is that the format was so niche and basically supported off the name of Robert Rodriguez that the ratings it did doesn't really justify trying again. But then we all thought Turner would never go into wrestling again after the money pit that was WCW and here we are. Of course I was going to respond to this because it is my bat signal lol. To say it was only supported off of the name of Robert Rodriguez ignores MGM and ya know just the guy who basically perfected reality television in Mark Burnett , like you throw a huge blanket by saying that and ignoring the other very large names behind the show. And when you bring up ratings you can't do that without actually bringing up the fact that ya know it was on an upstart network that was...like when people talk about LU from the business side there is so much context needed. But to me a large reason we wont see anyone else even try especially Freddy is because he would not want to spend the money. LU at its most expensive was 18mil for season 3 at 40 episodes...Freddy from interviews isn't gonna be nore is he willing to spend anywhere near that ammount and no way in hell would he be getting 40 episodes if he were to go in a seasonal format...which if he does the SAG thing almost seems a sure thing. You saying all that is all well and good but networks aren’t going to see it that way. Networks are going to see the expense for the lack of real monetary and rating value and go a safer route. Especially since El Ray as a network is now defunct (not due to LU, obviously but still). It’s not me ignoring the facts, it’s me trying to think somewhat like a studio head.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on May 4, 2022 16:15:05 GMT -5
I REALLY appreciate the effort he's putting forth, but maybe don't give us lunch break updates until you have something actually on paper. Telling us what he could have had but didn't get for various reasons just feels like a waste of time.
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Post by Convoy on May 4, 2022 16:22:36 GMT -5
A lot can change in 18 months, but I wonder what a roster for a new promotion would even look like with AEW/ROH under one banner. Would he pull some freelancers from GCW/LA Fights, or would this be PWG but on TV? Jack Cartwheel might be the newest member of SAG at this rate.
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Post by eJm on May 4, 2022 16:47:34 GMT -5
I’m convinced.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 4, 2022 16:57:54 GMT -5
Best part of that was him complaining about the BBQ sauce on his pizza LOL
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Post by r. on May 4, 2022 17:11:21 GMT -5
Imagine if we really get three large touring companies? What a blessed timeline that'd be. I don't think it will be large. This is vaporware atm and Freddie may have money but he for sure as hell does not have Vince/Tony money. IMO This will be something smaller along the line of Impact. His biggest issue will be talent and if he can't secure a TV deal it's gonna be an even bigger uphill battle.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 4, 2022 17:14:07 GMT -5
I also sort of think the problem with asking for a new LU is that the format was so niche and basically supported off the name of Robert Rodriguez that the ratings it did doesn't really justify trying again. I seriously doubt a wrestling show with more WWE/AEW-like presentation would've performed any better on El Rey. Trying to launch a new cable network in 2013, when the format was already starting to be supplanted by streaming alternatives, was a poorly-conceived idea from the start, particularly when it was targeted towards an emerging minority demographic who'd be even less likely to adopt an aging legacy format.
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Post by eJm on May 4, 2022 17:16:49 GMT -5
I also sort of think the problem with asking for a new LU is that the format was so niche and basically supported off the name of Robert Rodriguez that the ratings it did doesn't really justify trying again. I seriously doubt a wrestling show with more WWE/AEW-like presentation would've performed any better on El Rey. Trying to launch a new cable network in 2013, when the format was already starting to be supplanted by streaming alternatives, was a poorly-conceived idea from the start, particularly when it was targeted towards an emerging minority demographic who'd be even less likely to adopt an aging legacy format. Oh, absolutely. It was a weird time to attempt something like it. Like, look, I’d love another LU alternative but I think the problem right now is that there hasn’t been enough “demand” for one or reason for a company to invest in one. It absolutely could happen, and it’s way more realistic than it was when LU got cancelled, just trying to be realistic. We’re talking about television executives here, the most illogical of humans sometimes.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 4, 2022 17:28:15 GMT -5
Seems like an egregious waste of money right now.
If he just wants to be involved I’m sure AEW would love to have him, along with about a million indies.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 4, 2022 17:40:45 GMT -5
Seems like an egregious waste of money right now. If he just wants to be involved I’m sure AEW would love to have him, along with about a million indies. Eh, dude has the money and wants to start fresh. Liking the idea of a centralized area to run from. Makes it easier to run a show overall and saves in the long run. For now he just needs to sign a few top stars and then rotate wrestlers out on the lower rung on a pay per appearance deal. I say give it a shot, could always use more options, especially if he can get some kind of tv deal.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 4, 2022 17:56:17 GMT -5
Give me babyface authority figure SMG
Have her manage Sabin and Shelley MCSMGs
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 18:05:03 GMT -5
Freddie seems like a really nice guy and he's a huge fan, so I'm rooting for this to succeed, especially if he manages to get SAG involved.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 18:30:36 GMT -5
I seriously doubt a wrestling show with more WWE/AEW-like presentation would've performed any better on El Rey. Trying to launch a new cable network in 2013, when the format was already starting to be supplanted by streaming alternatives, was a poorly-conceived idea from the start, particularly when it was targeted towards an emerging minority demographic who'd be even less likely to adopt an aging legacy format. Oh, absolutely. It was a weird time to attempt something like it. Like, look, I’d love another LU alternative but I think the problem right now is that there hasn’t been enough “demand” for one or reason for a company to invest in one. It absolutely could happen, and it’s way more realistic than it was when LU got cancelled, just trying to be realistic. We’re talking about television executives here, the most illogical of humans sometimes. There is still plenty of demand all over the place for LU to return...it is why MLW try as they might has not pulled in that audience because that is not what the demand is for...it is for LU , like how many times when a LU topic pops up somewhere will be like I miss LU etc , like are those voices as far reaching as an AEW or WWE? nowhere close but LU is still very much there and still strong amongst those that watched the show. And El Rey is alive and well as a streaming service now and they still have LU re-runs (which idk how that is possible considering they only ever had the rights to first re-runs guessing maybe Robert paid to have it) and suspiciously LU has been gone from Tubi. The big thing that changed was the merger with amazon....to quote someone: I do not even think amazon is even aware they have LU.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 18:31:08 GMT -5
He's a millionaire rather than a billionaire so might need a money mark to help him but he probably knows one or two.
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Post by eJm on May 4, 2022 18:37:14 GMT -5
There is still plenty of demand all over the place for LU to return...it is why MLW try as they might has not pulled in that audience because that is not what the demand is for...it is for LU , like how many times when a LU topic pops up somewhere will be like I miss LU etc , like are those voices as far reaching as an AEW or WWE? nowhere close but LU is still very much there and still strong amongst those that watched the show. And the issue is, that isn’t that many people. Like, we’ve never tried to be the majority or anything of pro wrestling, we just happen to be one of the biggest non Reddit platforms left. But we aren’t anywhere near enough to do much of anything, and I don’t think adding other sources will change that. Like, I’m saying this as a European, we never got LU. That Netflix deal was (apparently) only for sections of Europe and never for places like the UK and Ireland who are a big wrestling demographic to show your product to. We only got YouTube or illegal downloading which neither really helped LU stay on the air (as much as places like to hype up YT clicks, they might as well be window dressing if they don’t lead to much). Again, not trying to be mean here but I’m being honest. Networks aren’t going to take a chance on something not outside the norm unless there’s a really good pitch made, which is something that goes across television. If you get the crew back together and they pitch it to Amazon and they accept, you might have something. Otherwise? It just won’t happen.
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Post by Chiral on May 4, 2022 18:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 4, 2022 18:42:47 GMT -5
First he talks of an awesome LA venue idea then he puts down California!? Mah man! Seems like an egregious waste of money right now. If he just wants to be involved I’m sure AEW would love to have him, along with about a million indies. Eh, dude has the money and wants to start fresh. Liking the idea of a centralized area to run from. Makes it easier to run a show overall and saves in the long run. For now he just needs to sign a few top stars and then rotate wrestlers out on the lower rung on a pay per appearance deal. I say give it a shot, could always use more options, especially if he can get some kind of tv deal. I could see him maybe nabbing Bray. ‘Specially as he seems to be going the movie route.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 18:43:47 GMT -5
There is still plenty of demand all over the place for LU to return...it is why MLW try as they might has not pulled in that audience because that is not what the demand is for...it is for LU , like how many times when a LU topic pops up somewhere will be like I miss LU etc , like are those voices as far reaching as an AEW or WWE? nowhere close but LU is still very much there and still strong amongst those that watched the show. And the issue is, that isn’t that many people. Like, we’ve never tried to be the majority or anything of pro wrestling, we just happen to be one of the biggest non Reddit platforms left. But we aren’t anywhere near enough to do much of anything, and I don’t think adding other sources will change that. Like, I’m saying this as a European, we never got LU. That Netflix deal was (apparently) only for sections of Europe and never for places like the UK and Ireland who are a big wrestling demographic to show your product to. We only got YouTube or illegal downloading which neither really helped LU stay on the air (as much as places like to hype up YT clicks, they might as well be window dressing if they don’t lead to much). Again, not trying to be mean here but I’m being honest. Networks aren’t going to take a chance on something not outside the norm unless there’s a really good pitch made, which is something that goes across television. If you get the crew back together and they pitch it to Amazon and they accept, you might have something. Otherwise? It just won’t happen. Oh believe you me I have long tabled a full fledged return unless I actually hear any legit scuttle and I mean from sources that are connceted to those people and not someone like a Meltzer. LU was apparently VERY popular in Germany from what I remember hearing and alot of the merch that LU did not monitize on the american side , the Germans were pumping out and even put out the only DVD set for the show. And also from what I do remember the UK did get LU but it was through the MGM streaming service which next to no one would know about unless you directly asked a LU fan that knew. But this isn't about LU returning (as much I above anyone else would kill for it to (not literally...maybe) But Freddie aint about to go down that route because he aint in this to be spending that much money and doubt he even has , like someone else said Impact wrestling is more likely what he ends up doing.
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