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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on May 2, 2007 8:52:14 GMT -5
Yeah, when I saw it with my friend, I was wondering why everything is so shiney in the past.
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Post by rra on May 2, 2007 9:21:02 GMT -5
Shakemaster was right. Lucas had a nervous breakdown on SW. Surely I can't hold it against him that he didn't want to repeat it. Plus, he was more interested in enlarging and pushing ILM as the gangbusters FX house in town.
Besides, Lucas had overall final say in editing and creative for EMPIRE and JEDI (which is why David Lynch turned it down). It helped that Kershner helmed a movie better than the first film.
But JEDI, Marquand basically alienated the cast and crew, and botched it with the gun battle on the planks. Still, Lucas and his army of editing monkeys did the best that they could with it.
As for the original poster about "ending," well consider this. That epic-phone book-size STAR WARS script that Lucas broke down into 3 parts, wasn't exactly even. Basically the first act is the entire A NEW HOPE, except Obi-Wan Kenobi doesn't eat it and the Death Star doesn't eat it.
Then Empire invades the rebel base(later re-used for the opening act of EMPIRE STRIKES BACK) and Luke/Obi-Wan would have gone to a mess of a planet where Luke trains. Since Lucas killed off Obi-Wan for ANH, Lucas created Yoda to replace this void. The 2nd act is EMPIRE virtually.
But the last 20 pages, or act 3, is what RETURN OF THE JEDI would be engineered from. Primitive Wookies instead of Ewoks, and the big finale spaceship fight against the Death Star.
So basically Lucas took the death star ending for that epic script draft and used it as the finale for the STAR WARS movie he is finally able to make.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 2, 2007 15:35:20 GMT -5
Yeah, when I saw it with my friend, I was wondering why everything is so shiney in the past. I can actually explain that one. The original trilogy occurs after decades of rule under the Emperor. Humans became the dominant race, so any race who particularly loved shiny things no longer made stuff. On top of that, the military and the elite got all of the new stuff, so much of which you saw was actually old and dirty stuff. Throw in the fact that the newer stuff owned by the Empire were deliberately made functional but not flashy. It's cheaper that way.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 2, 2007 16:05:12 GMT -5
Yeah, all the shiny, cool stuff was destroyed and the battles of the Emperor left everything in ruins. Hence, all the old stuff these guys have, and the rebuilding they have to do once the Evil Empire is finally taken down.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on May 2, 2007 16:55:46 GMT -5
I think he was waiting for CGI to improve. I remember him saying in an interview that he wanted the prequels to be on a much grander scale then the originals. If you watch the films in chronological order, you first see how huge and exotic the Star Wars galaxy really is, so when you get to the original trilogy you can understand better why Luke hates being trapped on that dust ball Tatooine. I've heard/read the same thing. If the CGI was at today's standards they would have been made 30 years ago. I also think this is the reason to why Lucas is now continually upgrading and "improving" the old movies
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Post by adamclark52 on May 2, 2007 19:12:05 GMT -5
I still think the Jedi Extermination scene from the Revenge of the Sith is one of the best scenes in any of the Star Wars movies.
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Post by odanobunaga on May 2, 2007 19:36:51 GMT -5
Say whatever you wanna say, I still have more fun watching the original 3 than the prequels. Because the dialogue is so much interesting, at least for me. And seriosly, if I want to watch a bunch of CGIs that acomplish nothing, I would pop a Final Fantasy CD or DVD after 8.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on May 2, 2007 20:12:50 GMT -5
The prequels are better to me too. The CGI Jabba from Menace looks like butt compared to the puppet they used in 83.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 3, 2007 10:14:46 GMT -5
The prequels are better to me too. The CGI Jabba from Menace looks like butt compared to the puppet they used in 83. I agree, but at least it looks slightly better than the CGI they inserted into the SE back in 97. Would it have killed them to bluescreen in a puppet instead?
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on May 3, 2007 10:23:50 GMT -5
The prequels are better to me too. The CGI Jabba from Menace looks like butt compared to the puppet they used in 83. I agree, but at least it looks slightly better than the CGI they inserted into the SE back in 97. Would it have killed them to bluescreen in a puppet instead? They fixed that so it doesn't look nearly as bad though.
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Post by rra on May 3, 2007 10:37:11 GMT -5
You know, my two problems with the STAR WARS special edition edit is this.
(1) Greedo Shoots First - In the original version, its awesome.
"Yeah, I beat you have"
BOOM! *Fried Greedo slumps over*
But now, we get an awkwardly altered "Han dodging" shot that sucks. It just kills the suspense of it.
Plus, in that original version, Han Solo just goes over with crowds as a ruthless awesome scumbag.
(2) Jabba the Hut
I don't have a problem with the scene in itself, its just....pointless. Its filler. It adds nothing to the story, and plus its unremarkable.
Plus, it reveals the Falcon too soon. What do I mean?
In the original version, we are presented with the Falcon, and we're like, "Holy s*it, its a spaceship...in front of me!"'
Whats the next thing uttered? "What a piece of JUNK!"
That's funny. Whats cool-looking to use primitives is a Pinto for those characters.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 3, 2007 10:44:39 GMT -5
You know, my two problems with the STAR WARS special edition edit is this. (1) Greedo Shoots First - In the original version, its awesome. "Yeah, I beat you have" BOOM! *Fried Greedo slumps over* But now, we get an awkwardly altered "Han dodging" shot that sucks. It just kills the suspense of it. Plus, in that original version, Han Solo just goes over with crowds as a ruthless awesome scumbag. (2) Jabba the Hut I don't have a problem with the scene in itself, its just....pointless. Its filler. It adds nothing to the story, and plus its unremarkable. Plus, it reveals the Falcon too soon. What do I mean? In the original version, we are presented with the Falcon, and we're like, "Holy s*it, its a spaceship...in front of me!"' Whats the next thing uttered? "What a piece of JUNK!" That's funny. Whats cool-looking to use primitives is a Pinto for those characters. I am Correct. Hail me King!* *Of Mephis! Screw you Lawler! Actually, the Jabba scene further outlines Han's motivations. He is shown to actually have a good working relationship with Jabba (doesn't get in trouble for killng a henchman, actually has bargaining power with Jabba), so his rush to get the money to him instantly seems a little unneeded on his part, which actually helps the scumbag persona that he had.
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Post by rra on May 3, 2007 10:54:21 GMT -5
You know, my two problems with the STAR WARS special edition edit is this. (1) Greedo Shoots First - In the original version, its awesome. "Yeah, I beat you have" BOOM! *Fried Greedo slumps over* But now, we get an awkwardly altered "Han dodging" shot that sucks. It just kills the suspense of it. Plus, in that original version, Han Solo just goes over with crowds as a ruthless awesome scumbag. (2) Jabba the Hut I don't have a problem with the scene in itself, its just....pointless. Its filler. It adds nothing to the story, and plus its unremarkable. Plus, it reveals the Falcon too soon. What do I mean? In the original version, we are presented with the Falcon, and we're like, "Holy s*it, its a spaceship...in front of me!"' Whats the next thing uttered? "What a piece of JUNK!" That's funny. Whats cool-looking to use primitives is a Pinto for those characters. I am Correct. Hail me King!* *Of Mephis! Screw you Lawler! Actually, the Jabba scene further outlines Han's motivations. He is shown to actually have a good working relationship with Jabba (doesn't get in trouble for killng a henchman, actually has bargaining power with Jabba), so his rush to get the money to him instantly seems a little unneeded on his part, which actually helps the scumbag persona that he had. But couldn't it be that his rush to get the money was to save his legs from getting broken by Jabba's people...without that scene? Besides, I always liked the idea that Han was in his last days, him and Chewie scraping by barely by their nails, and incidently get caught up in a rebellion...oh and have to penetrate and escape from the Death Star! ..which actually was Han's downfall, since it preoccupied him years, and his ass was carbonated-ready. Basically, if he had kept his old scumbag merc ways, he would have had the debt paid off. Instead, he joins rebels and (assumingly) improved as a person...and that screws him.
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Post by redqueen on May 3, 2007 10:55:04 GMT -5
Say whatever you wanna say, I still have more fun watching the original 3 than the prequels. Because the dialogue is so much interesting, at least for me. Agreed. I actually busted out laughing and yelled "IT'S ALIVE!" in the theatre during the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" scene in Episode III. It was just that cheesy.
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Post by rra on May 3, 2007 10:58:55 GMT -5
The biggest problem with the STAR WARS prequels is that, scriptwise, they were never refined very much...and dear god, the dialogue sound like it.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 3, 2007 11:06:35 GMT -5
Actually, the Jabba scene further outlines Han's motivations. He is shown to actually have a good working relationship with Jabba (doesn't get in trouble for killng a henchman, actually has bargaining power with Jabba), so his rush to get the money to him instantly seems a little unneeded on his part, which actually helps the scumbag persona that he had. But couldn't it be that his rush to get the money was to save his legs from getting broken by Jabba's people...without that scene? Besides, I always liked the idea that Han was in his last days, him and Chewie scraping by barely by their nails, and incidently get caught up in a rebellion...oh and have to penetrate and escape from the Death Star! ..which actually was Han's downfall, since it preoccupied him years, and his ass was carbonated-ready. Basically, if he had kept his old scumbag merc ways, he would have had the debt paid off. Instead, he joins rebels and (assumingly) improved as a person...and that screws him. But the scene would allow the viewer to get even more frustrated with Han for not helping in the first place because the scene makes it obvious that Han had some wiggle room with Jabba by virtue of the fact that he was one of the best scumbags in the galaxy. It grants him a little more character development (which was needed after Greedo shoots first. I still love Star Wars Tales explanation of that change. Han was put on trial for killing Greedo, and this footage was part of his defense to counter the original footage that the prosecution showed.)
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