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Post by auph10imitated on May 20, 2022 2:27:09 GMT -5
Let’s just say Hogan’s ego wasn’t the size of the moon and was willing to play ball creatively, where exactly would you turn Hulk Hogan heel during his original WWF run?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 20, 2022 4:23:26 GMT -5
There was a plan to turn him around Mania 6. That was maybe as good a time as any. He could have done Hollywood Hogan, not nWo style but appropriate for the time and had a run with Warrior but there was still scraps on the bone for Hulkamania.
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Post by tirtefaa on May 20, 2022 4:27:44 GMT -5
Play ball?
I mean, I think you'd need to convince Vince more to the idea, than Hogan, after all it was Vince's pocketbook at stake.
But if there was ever a time to do it, easily the 1992 Rumble. You could have him as a heel go up against the order of Sid, face Savage, Warrior again, Undertaker, Bret and Luger. Honestly, I don't see the long-term gain from having Hogan as a heel for too long, especially given that Hogan was trying very hard to escape wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 4:47:54 GMT -5
Gives Bret a title shot straight after WM9 and when he realizes Bret has his number he low blows him to retain. Bret spends the summer of 93 chasing the belt and eventually runs Hogan out of the company.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 20, 2022 5:55:08 GMT -5
Play ball? I mean, I think you'd need to convince Vince more to the idea, than Hogan, after all it was Vince's pocketbook at stake. But if there was ever a time to do it, easily the 1992 Rumble. You could have him as a heel go up against the order of Sid, face Savage, Warrior again, Undertaker, Bret and Luger. Honestly, I don't see the long-term gain from having Hogan as a heel for too long, especially given that Hogan was trying very hard to escape wrestling. At that point, you could almost do a version Bret 97 with him. He was already whining and complaining about being screwed in the promo on that show, not sure if he did others. You could play the clip, and have him going off on the fans for siding with some new psycho who cheapshotted him after all his years of being a hero, carrying America on his back. How the fans are embracing the dark side, supporting the Undertaker, how he said his prayers etc. and the fans like a Non American as champion in Hart...
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on May 20, 2022 7:16:40 GMT -5
I think remember Bruce Prichard saying on his podcast that Vince McMahon never wanted to have Hogan as a heel.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 20, 2022 7:35:02 GMT -5
Gives Bret a title shot straight after WM9 and when he realizes Bret has his number he low blows him to retain. Bret spends the summer of 93 chasing the belt and eventually runs Hogan out of the company. See I think this is potentially the perfect moment for it too, but differently - let Bret beat Yoko at WM9, but then Hogan challenges him immediately and squashes Bret, and you build Bret back up to win it from Hogan at Summerslam.
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Post by tafkaga on May 20, 2022 8:07:08 GMT -5
A heel Hogan in '92-'93 would have been great for WWF business but would have also probably crushed WCW's big gains in '96.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 20, 2022 8:36:26 GMT -5
Hogan turning heel during his hot period would have went over at least as poorly as Steve Austin turning heel at WrestleMania 17. Probably would have been devastating to WWF as a company.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 20, 2022 8:36:35 GMT -5
Business wise I dont know. But creative wise I would have loved Hogan to turn heel during the Mega Powers angle. Start it the same with Macho acting paranoid that Hogan is sandbagging the team and coming onto Elizabeth. Have the announcers play it up as Macho being paranoid. Until it turns out Macho was right and Hogan turns.
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Post by Garyspivey on May 20, 2022 10:52:34 GMT -5
They literally had it right there in the 92 rumble, Hogan was eliminated fairly then helped flair win, he was already getting booed for it, Keep sid face turn hogan into the Bret hart heel where he feels like he is still doing the right thing but the people changed.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 20, 2022 12:15:43 GMT -5
Putting Hulk in a face-tweener role against Bret a la Okada might have worked, but scandal aside a heel turn wouldn’t have worked because Bret wasn’t the familiar attraction Hogan was yet (especially not to casuals and the fans at Mania IX who were madly in love with the dude, even when he was acting heelish and selfish all show).
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 20, 2022 20:02:02 GMT -5
Remember how Vince wouldn't turn Cena heel; think about that, times 100.
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Post by buckethead on May 20, 2022 23:37:54 GMT -5
Business wise I dont know. But creative wise I would have loved Hogan to turn heel during the Mega Powers angle. Start it the same with Macho acting paranoid that Hogan is sandbagging the team and coming onto Elizabeth. Have the announcers play it up as Macho being paranoid. Until it turns out Macho was right and Hogan turns. 1000% this. If you look at it realistically, Hogan was the heel. All of Savage's points were valid. It would have been so easy to do..all you have to do to achieve it is a slight change in presentation. As amazing as it would've been, it probably loses them fans in the short term. Too many young Hulkamaniacs buying merch. I love Savage's appearance on Arsenio promoting WM 5. Nobody really wants to boo him.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 21, 2022 1:45:34 GMT -5
The quick and easy idea would be to do something where he DOES accept Ted DiBiase's offer for the WWF title, then takes it a step further and becomes some kind of corporate sellout.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 21, 2022 9:34:11 GMT -5
Gives Bret a title shot straight after WM9 and when he realizes Bret has his number he low blows him to retain. Bret spends the summer of 93 chasing the belt and eventually runs Hogan out of the company. See I think this is potentially the perfect moment for it too, but differently - let Bret beat Yoko at WM9, but then Hogan challenges him immediately and squashes Bret, and you build Bret back up to win it from Hogan at Summerslam. I was just thinking this. Complete with Hollywood-type speech about the people who booed him at the Manhattan Center when he came to help his friend to the end, who by the way, they disrespected as well (here's where he plays Brutus' comeback speech, and calls attention to the infamous "kill yourself" heckler) I forget now...what was the reaction like when he returned to Raw? I do remember an anti-Hogan sign or two ("Hulk Has-Been" was one of them)
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Post by SmashTV on May 21, 2022 13:24:05 GMT -5
I don’t think you could have done it any time before WM6, as he was still over as hell - if a little stale. Rumble 92 backfired as the crowd rightly sided with Sid, so while that would have been a good - and unexpected - time to turn him, I think 93 return is the best time.
Beefcake could come back and the Money Inc attack still happens, but Hogan doesn’t come out to help his friend and sides with a still heel Jimmy Hart instead. It’s essentially Bash at the Beach three years prior, with Hogan saying he noticed fans booing him after all he’d done, he was cheated out of the Rumble and the fans cheered, Bret Hart can’t hold a candle to him etc. Hogan in 1993 WWF was already out of place, but coming back as heel would have made the run far more memorable.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on May 21, 2022 18:51:52 GMT -5
92 would have been the perfect time to do it. All the proof I need is the reaction Sid got (the actual reaction, not the edited version) when he eliminated Hogan from the Rumble. Hogan being a sore loser and pulling Sid out would have been the perfect start to the turn. The only issue would have been Hogan being on his way out at the time but if he would have seen monetary value in having a heel run he may have altered his trajectory.
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Post by nisidhe on May 22, 2022 19:26:00 GMT -5
I'm an old woman.
I was following a lot of wrestling in 1986-7 and was almost as keen on what going on in UWF as in WWE. So, when Hacksaw Jim Duggan came into WWE shortly after Wrestlemania III there was a _shitpile_ of interest. Some of us figured that this guy was going to be the one who'd replace Hogan, but wasn't quite sure how something like that would play out.
Duggan was the working-class schlub who was over af in the South despite being from upstate New York. He was a former footballer who brawled like nobody's business, who could appeal to the kids and didn't have the stink of elitism about him. It was possible to see him in the same mold as Bruno or Pedro, that kind of guy who worked hard to get where he was and would pass the MSG test.
Then came the traffic stop and being seen in the car with Sheiky and a couple joints and that was the end of that, I think. He got a briefish suspension but never got near the title.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 24, 2022 17:26:41 GMT -5
1993 would have been the time to pull the trigger, he'd been on a disastrous media tour over steroids the past few years, trying and failing to do damage control for the company. All he needed to do was admit to steroid and drug use, apologise and say those days were behind him rather than trying to evade and carry on, but as we saw with the racism nonpologies, that doesn't work for him, brother. Fans were turnin on him and were ready to pay to see him get beat by 93, I can only imagine the heat he would have got dropping the leg on Savage or Bret then cupping his ear with a smirk.
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