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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jun 2, 2022 19:37:00 GMT -5
When Taka and Funaki used to cut promos in WWE, I don't think that was their real voices.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jun 25, 2022 1:21:17 GMT -5
There's so many "legend has hot take about popular newer wrestler" stories where the "legend" in question was a total jabroni like Disco Inferno or some shit Yeah, I don't fully mind the WWE using the word "Legend" to describe the retired wrestlers... since it's more respectful than just calling them Old Timers or whatever... but it's when people inherently assume that they must know more / better about wrestling than people doing it now... is a bit much. Now that I think about it, icon would be a better term for someone who was a star but not a legend. Say for example Hacksaw Jim Duggan. He's recognizable, well remembered, and has wrestled for several generations of fans. The downside is most of his matches sucked, and he had maybe a couple of good angles at best. Iconic superstar? Yes. Legend? No. But that's just my opinion, and that will always complicate things like this. At the end of the day though I'd just like to see some separation.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 25, 2022 1:30:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't fully mind the WWE using the word "Legend" to describe the retired wrestlers... since it's more respectful than just calling them Old Timers or whatever... but it's when people inherently assume that they must know more / better about wrestling than people doing it now... is a bit much. Now that I think about it, icon would be a better term for someone who was a star but not a legend. Say for example Hacksaw Jim Duggan. He's recognizable, well remembered, and has wrestled for several generations of fans. The downside is most of his matches sucked, and he had maybe a couple of good angles at best. Iconic superstar? Yes. Legend? No. But that's just my opinion, and that will always complicate things like this. At the end of the day though I'd just like to see some separation. The biggest issue just like a hall of fame having actual standards, is that like being memorable and over are like the only real metrics you can measure. Everything else is determined. Duggan for instance has been over for like 30 years.
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Post by DeeBee on Jun 25, 2022 1:34:35 GMT -5
A take so hot, you can sue me for putting it in your lap:
Cornette isn't as 'wrong' as a lot of people like to pretend he is. While there are wrestlers he has awful takes on (Moxley and Wheeler Yuta, for example), he's not entirely the 'old man yelling at clouds' character he has been turned into online. He's a brilliant wrestling mind and it's a shame he isn't involved in the wrestling business in some way.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 25, 2022 1:41:28 GMT -5
A take so hot, you can sue me for putting it in your lap: Cornette isn't as 'wrong' as a lot of people like to pretend he is. While there are wrestlers he has awful takes on (Moxley and Wheeler Yuta, for example), he's not entirely the 'old man yelling at clouds' character he has been turned into online. He's a brilliant wrestling mind and it's a shame he isn't involved in the wrestling business in some way. I fully disagree. Most of his hot takes on wrestling are based on if wrestling was still 1977 or 1987. When the entire industry has completely changed in ways that he refuses to acknowledge. Again the last time he had major power in a wrestling industry that I know of was Ring of honor and that was considered one of hte lowest points in the company's history.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 25, 2022 2:12:22 GMT -5
A take so hot, you can sue me for putting it in your lap: Cornette isn't as 'wrong' as a lot of people like to pretend he is. While there are wrestlers he has awful takes on (Moxley and Wheeler Yuta, for example), he's not entirely the 'old man yelling at clouds' character he has been turned into online. He's a brilliant wrestling mind and it's a shame he isn't involved in the wrestling business in some way. I fully disagree. Most of his hot takes on wrestling are based on if wrestling was still 1977 or 1987. When the entire industry has completely changed in ways that he refuses to acknowledge. Again the last time he had major power in a wrestling industry that I know of was Ring of honor and that was considered one of hte lowest points in the company's history. Yep. Additionally, if Cornette really wanted to be involved in wrestling, he'd be involved in wrestling. He'd apologize to people he's treated shittily, he'd control his temper, and he'd adapt. He's certainly smart enough to know that. Even now, he has connections he could tap and be involved. There are people who would go to bat for him if he showed some humility and played the part of a changed man. But, that isn't something he could do while maintaining the respect of his listeners, and he makes his living podcasting now, so that's a higher priority to him, being the guy who never backs down no matter what vile shit comes out of his mouth or keyboard. That's my cynical take, yes, and I'm sure someone could very well say he has too much integrity to back down, but I also know for a fact he's done so before when he felt it necessary. He just has moved on from being involved in wrestling directly, and frankly, that was probably the more lucrative move for him. Hell, if his ideas were all as sagely as he spins it, he could promote shows. Doesn't have to be a grand affair, and he's got the kind of clout to get backing for something minor. But, if it flops, then again, he loses face, and he isn't going to put his money or reputation on the line and show that maybe he really is out of touch with what wrestling fans actually want. Again, probably wiser that he sticks to what is working for him now, which is talking a lot of shit without having to back a word of it up.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 25, 2022 2:19:41 GMT -5
I fully disagree. Most of his hot takes on wrestling are based on if wrestling was still 1977 or 1987. When the entire industry has completely changed in ways that he refuses to acknowledge. Again the last time he had major power in a wrestling industry that I know of was Ring of honor and that was considered one of hte lowest points in the company's history. Yep. Additionally, if Cornette really wanted to be involved in wrestling, he'd be involved in wrestling. He'd apologize to people he's treated shittily, he'd control his temper, and he'd adapt. He's certainly smart enough to know that. Even now, he has connections he could tap and be involved. There are people who would go to bat for him if he showed some humility and played the part of a changed man. But, that isn't something he could do while maintaining the respect of his listeners, and he makes his living podcasting now, so that's a higher priority to him, being the guy who never backs down no matter what vile shit comes out of his mouth or keyboard. That's my cynical take, yes, and I'm sure someone could very well say he has too much integrity to back down, but I also know for a fact he's done so before when he felt it necessary. He just has moved on from being involved in wrestling directly, and frankly, that was probably the more lucrative move for him. Hell, if his ideas were all as sagely as he spins it, he could promote shows. Doesn't have to be a grand affair, and he's got the kind of clout to get backing for something minor. But, if it flops, then again, he loses face, and he isn't going to put his money or reputation on the line and show that maybe he really is out of touch with what wrestling fans actually want. Again, probably wiser that he sticks to what is working for him now, which is talking a lot of shit without having to back a word of it up. I always used to say... you could always tell what promotion was Jim's favorite because it was the one that was paying him. If hew as in the WWF. Vince McMahon is a genius who does nothing wrong and the WWF is better than any other company in the world... the minute he's out Vince is an out of touch idiot and the WWF is a freakshow. TNA... same thing he even said he didn't mind working with Russo during his time there which is obvious horse shit... then he went to RoH where he didn't have to deal with Russo or Dixie and he got to do real wrestling like he wanted to... until again they didn't want to pay him anymore. Corny is a massive carny and I garauntee a lot of his Outlaw mudshow talk is him realizing he gets more reactions positive and negative from that and he doesn't have to prove anything. To your point.. I'm pretty sure if he wanted to Jim could call Bruce and get at least a chance to do something in the WWE today if he really wanted to. Likely with the caveat that he'd at least have to try and be a team player... but still.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 25, 2022 15:13:03 GMT -5
Real life hot take; this thread went off the rails.
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Post by DeeBee on Jun 25, 2022 19:03:59 GMT -5
Yep. Additionally, if Cornette really wanted to be involved in wrestling, he'd be involved in wrestling. He'd apologize to people he's treated shittily, he'd control his temper, and he'd adapt. He's certainly smart enough to know that. Even now, he has connections he could tap and be involved. There are people who would go to bat for him if he showed some humility and played the part of a changed man. But, that isn't something he could do while maintaining the respect of his listeners, and he makes his living podcasting now, so that's a higher priority to him, being the guy who never backs down no matter what vile shit comes out of his mouth or keyboard. That's my cynical take, yes, and I'm sure someone could very well say he has too much integrity to back down, but I also know for a fact he's done so before when he felt it necessary. He just has moved on from being involved in wrestling directly, and frankly, that was probably the more lucrative move for him. Hell, if his ideas were all as sagely as he spins it, he could promote shows. Doesn't have to be a grand affair, and he's got the kind of clout to get backing for something minor. But, if it flops, then again, he loses face, and he isn't going to put his money or reputation on the line and show that maybe he really is out of touch with what wrestling fans actually want. Again, probably wiser that he sticks to what is working for him now, which is talking a lot of shit without having to back a word of it up. I always used to say... you could always tell what promotion was Jim's favorite because it was the one that was paying him. If hew as in the WWF. Vince McMahon is a genius who does nothing wrong and the WWF is better than any other company in the world... the minute he's out Vince is an out of touch idiot and the WWF is a freakshow. TNA... same thing he even said he didn't mind working with Russo during his time there which is obvious horse shit... then he went to RoH where he didn't have to deal with Russo or Dixie and he got to do real wrestling like he wanted to... until again they didn't want to pay him anymore. Corny is a massive carny and I garauntee a lot of his Outlaw mudshow talk is him realizing he gets more reactions positive and negative from that and he doesn't have to prove anything. To your point.. I'm pretty sure if he wanted to Jim could call Bruce and get at least a chance to do something in the WWE today if he really wanted to. Likely with the caveat that he'd at least have to try and be a team player... but still. Fair enough. Admittedly, I'm a huge Cornette fan, but I definitely don't share a lot of his views on modern wrestling/wrestlers. Don't get me wrong, I can completely understand why a lot of folks have issues with him and I don't want it to sound like I am 100% in line with his viewpoints. I listen to his podcasts, but that's primarily due to his insane levels of knowledge when it comes to wrestling history.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 25, 2022 20:06:48 GMT -5
I always used to say... you could always tell what promotion was Jim's favorite because it was the one that was paying him. If hew as in the WWF. Vince McMahon is a genius who does nothing wrong and the WWF is better than any other company in the world... the minute he's out Vince is an out of touch idiot and the WWF is a freakshow. TNA... same thing he even said he didn't mind working with Russo during his time there which is obvious horse shit... then he went to RoH where he didn't have to deal with Russo or Dixie and he got to do real wrestling like he wanted to... until again they didn't want to pay him anymore. Corny is a massive carny and I garauntee a lot of his Outlaw mudshow talk is him realizing he gets more reactions positive and negative from that and he doesn't have to prove anything. To your point.. I'm pretty sure if he wanted to Jim could call Bruce and get at least a chance to do something in the WWE today if he really wanted to. Likely with the caveat that he'd at least have to try and be a team player... but still. Fair enough. Admittedly, I'm a huge Cornette fan, but I definitely don't share a lot of his views on modern wrestling/wrestlers. Don't get me wrong, I can completely understand why a lot of folks have issues with him and I don't want it to sound like I am 100% in line with his viewpoints. I listen to his podcasts, but that's primarily due to his insane levels of knowledge when it comes to wrestling history. Yeah, honestly, I could listen to him talk about Smoky Mountain or working for Watts or the Jarretts happily, there's a lot to learn, but it gets frustrating because yeah, he's obviously not an idiot or anything.
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