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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 25, 2022 0:08:12 GMT -5
WCW was only around for about 12 years, so naturally their list is going to be much shorter than a company whose list spans 50+ years. If we compare just the period that WCW was a company to your WWE list from the same period (1989-2001), WCW had a longer list. If you look at WWF from roughly 1983 when Vince fully took over to 1995, how many stars did Vince truly create? Warrior, Bret, Yokozuna, Shawn And that's not even counting Undertaker and I don't think there's a soul on the planet that would count his time as the third most prominent Skyscraper as high profile |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 25, 2022 6:02:04 GMT -5
If you look at WWF from roughly 1983 when Vince fully took over to 1995, how many stars did Vince truly create? Warrior, Bret, Yokozuna, Shawn And that's not even counting Undertaker and I don't think there's a soul on the planet that would count his time as the third most prominent Skyscraper as high profile Let's not act like he was Oz and used as a giant jobber, he'd been getting a solo push and had a US title match with Lex Luger at the Great American Bash prior to jumping ship. Also warrior was a big deal in WCCW and landed in the WWF with his gimmick fully formed, hell, he sued the WWF to prove they did not create his gimmick and won. |
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Post by tafkaga on May 25, 2022 10:20:43 GMT -5
WCW was only around for about 12 years, so naturally their list is going to be much shorter than a company whose list spans 50+ years. If we compare just the period that WCW was a company to your WWE list from the same period (1989-2001), WCW had a longer list. If you look at WWF from roughly 1983 when Vince fully took over to 1995, how many stars did Vince truly create? I almost want to grade Vince on a curve, because his modus operandi was in taking guys who were established and repackaging them in a way that made them bigger stars. Maybe Mark Callaway, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, and the Warrior were already established, but they weren't A-list main event superstars until Vince, so in a way I consider them Vince's "creations". WCW's efforts to do this rarely resulted in success, but I think WCW was better at taking young, more obscure talent and just giving them room to get over and build a resume. They produced so many successful midcard acts, but they relied too heavily on Flair. Even if Hogan had never come, I wonder how many more years the main event would have been monopolized by Flair. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 25, 2022 10:35:58 GMT -5
Say what you will about WCW, they started investing in the future with the Power Plant in a way the WWF wouldn't for years. Had they lived they would have had a roster stacked with 'homegrown' stars as WWF guys and Flair retired or fell victim to cost cutting.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 25, 2022 11:51:00 GMT -5
Say what you will about WCW, they started investing in the future with the Power Plant in a way the WWF wouldn't for years. Had they lived they would have had a roster stacked with 'homegrown' stars as WWF guys and Flair retired or fell victim to cost cutting. By the time WCW died WWF had already starting taking developmental seriously. They partnered with OVW in 1999 and soon signed people like Lesnar/Cena/Batista/Orton/Benjamin/Haas. They did the smart thing by waiting a couple of years to put them on the main roster though. WCW threw a lot of those Power Plant guys to the wolves in 2000 when they weren't ready for national TV. O'Haire/Jindrak/Palumbo/Skipper/Karagias/Kwee Wee/Kid Romeo could do some cool looking moves but they looked completely lost in between spots. There's a reason they ended up back in developmental after the WWE buy-out and it's not just WWE being petty about former WCW guys. They legit needed the development. Also, if they survived and Bischoff took over he already had deals in place to bring back Hogan/Savage/Nash/Goldberg (Goldberg wasn't old to be fair). The Jindraks and O'Haires would almost certainly have been in the midcard while the established guys main evented based on Bischoff's history in WCW/TNA. |
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Post by oxbaker on May 25, 2022 12:15:59 GMT -5
What about ECW?
I’m sure a lot of guys were scrounging around the indies but guys like Tommy Dreamer, Sandman, Raven, RVD, the Dudleys and Taz seem homegrown in the sense that they weren’t notable and were molded into being draws (although some were draws only in ECW and didn’t transcend).
(I’m probably wrong on some of them who maybe did more pre-ECW than I remember, but just as surely I failed to include others who did get over big in ECW who weren’t anything, or weren’t much, before joining that promotion. I didn’t include Sabu because he had gained niche notoriety with his act previously and Shane Douglas was a guy with a lot of experience who was elevated to a top spot by Heyman.)
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 25, 2022 13:50:44 GMT -5
Say what you will about WCW, they started investing in the future with the Power Plant in a way the WWF wouldn't for years. Had they lived they would have had a roster stacked with 'homegrown' stars as WWF guys and Flair retired or fell victim to cost cutting. By the time WCW died WWF had already starting taking developmental seriously. They partnered with OVW in 1999 and soon signed people like Lesnar/Cena/Batista/Orton/Benjamin/Haas. They did the smart thing by waiting a couple of years to put them on the main roster though. WCW threw a lot of those Power Plant guys to the wolves in 2000 when they weren't ready for national TV. O'Haire/Jindrak/Palumbo/Skipper/Karagias/Kwee Wee/Kid Romeo could do some cool looking moves but they looked completely lost in between spots. There's a reason they ended up back in developmental after the WWE buy-out and it's not just WWE being petty about former WCW guys. They legit needed the development. Also, if they survived and Bischoff took over he already had deals in place to bring back Hogan/Savage/Nash/Goldberg (Goldberg wasn't old to be fair). The Jindraks and O'Haires would almost certainly have been in the midcard while the established guys main evented based on Bischoff's history in WCW/TNA. He's also claimed he wanted to give a big push to O'Haire and RVD in the past and use them to build the company around, I suspect that to be more likely than Bischoff shelling out his own money for Hogan, Nash et al, considering the cost reduced path WCW had been on toward the end and they would have to outbid the WWF for their services. Power plant guys needed more actual matches to improve, the way Goldberg, DDP, Nash, The Giant and co did, in time they would have gotten there, but they weren't really given space to grow, they just found themselves surplus to requirements and shoved into developmental hell as Vince had newer toys he could say were all his own. |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 25, 2022 14:54:53 GMT -5
Warrior, Bret, Yokozuna, Shawn And that's not even counting Undertaker and I don't think there's a soul on the planet that would count his time as the third most prominent Skyscraper as high profile Let's not act like he was Oz and used as a giant jobber, he'd been getting a solo push and had a US title match with Lex Luger at the Great American Bash prior to jumping ship. Also warrior was a big deal in WCCW and landed in the WWF with his gimmick fully formed, hell, he sued the WWF to prove they did not create his gimmick and won. Good shout on Warrior, but also I forgot about Nash! |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 25, 2022 14:55:57 GMT -5
Bret's probably the best example of this from his era. Obviously wasn't trained by anyone in the WWF but he had zero American profile other than in Stampede, which no one outside of Western Canada knew about except the tape traders and the boys I know tons of people who saw him wrestle in Stampede, I never did, but he's known...it's not like they say how amazing he was. They just say they saw him wrestle back when. Where, in Alberta? |
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Post by oxbaker on May 25, 2022 16:40:20 GMT -5
Y’all acting like Glacier never existed.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 25, 2022 17:00:14 GMT -5
I know tons of people who saw him wrestle in Stampede, I never did, but he's known...it's not like they say how amazing he was. They just say they saw him wrestle back when. Where, in Alberta? Yes. |
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