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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 29, 2022 17:25:50 GMT -5
It is either a shoot or stupid kayfabe
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Post by Dub H on Aug 29, 2022 17:29:22 GMT -5
I mean,he is not wrong.
All the drama really took of it.At the end of day MJF used his career as a bargaining chip(even if you could argue MJF really wasnt in a good place), he is the victim of all this.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 29, 2022 17:38:11 GMT -5
Yeah, he's not wrong. His huge career-defining moment almost went up in smoke because of what MJF was doing and the whole situation overshadowed his match. A solid year of storyline almost added up to nothing for the guy. None of that sounds like kayfabe to me.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 29, 2022 17:40:04 GMT -5
Not sure if Kayfabe or shoot (as it should be) Seems like a shoot. Sure. Can’t disagree…. But in a vacuum so did MJF’s promo on 6/1. But there is a 0.0% chance the entire thing airs if that wasn’t the plan (not that I need to tell you this.) Call me old school but I like the air of doubt surround AEW. Kayfabe seems a shoot, shoots seem like Kayfabe, not being able to predict where it’s going, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA. But, then again, I’m an agent of chaos 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 18:07:47 GMT -5
I thought he was quite diplomatic, of course, he's right to fume that MJF's antics ruined his biggest moment to date but I still think there's a chance those antics were due to mental health issues out of MJF's control so burying him for them would come across as callous.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 29, 2022 19:15:23 GMT -5
Sure. Can’t disagree…. But in a vacuum so did MJF’s promo on 6/1. But there is a 0.0% chance the entire thing airs if that wasn’t the plan (not that I need to tell you this.) Call me old school but I like the air of doubt surround AEW. Kayfabe seems a shoot, shoots seem like Kayfabe, not being able to predict where it’s going, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA. But, then again, I’m an agent of chaos 🤷🏼♂️ I just don't like the idea of people willingly tanking their own value for someone else's big angle.
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Post by ghost on Aug 29, 2022 19:28:37 GMT -5
Wardlow is spot on. I thought the match actually played out pretty well all things considered but having MJF go out on TV 3 days later and do that promo when he should have been off TV for at least a week or two was just really bad planning by AEW. Wardlow got the short end of that but luckily he’s over enough to not have it hurt him too much.
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Post by chronocross on Aug 29, 2022 19:43:15 GMT -5
I don't fault Wardlow for feeling that way, that should have been a crowning moment and the only thing people were talking about was the MJF drama that weekend.
Also the follow up was not great either, him vs. 20 jobbers was horrible.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 29, 2022 19:49:58 GMT -5
I don't fault Wardlow for feeling that way, that should have been a crowning moment and the only thing people were talking about was the MJF drama that weekend. Also the follow up was not great either, him vs. 20 jobbers was horrible. It was horrible, and worse since the idea sounded glorious
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Post by Fade on Aug 29, 2022 19:53:17 GMT -5
I thought he was quite diplomatic, of course, he's right to fume that MJF's antics ruined his biggest moment to date but I still think there's a chance those antics were due to mental health issues out of MJF's control so burying him for them would come across as callous. Yeah..he doesn’t seem, like, pissed. Just calling it for what it is. And I can’t really fault MJF cuz a lot of those details still seem opaque. Plus, I think homey has right to be upset. Still.. would have been cool if both of them were in a better place when that angle came to a head.
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Post by Burst on Aug 29, 2022 20:48:11 GMT -5
It was horrible, and worse since the idea sounded glorious I still don't know how that managed to be as underwhelming as it was, because usually massive squash matches like that are amazing. I feel like a lot of it was the security guys seemed like they were barely trained to bump, or that they only knew how to bump a certain way which is why the match felt so repetitive.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 29, 2022 20:51:56 GMT -5
Without the surrounding drama I think the way it went down would've worked well, but with it, yeah, it was just kind of an anticlimactic afterthought.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 29, 2022 21:06:03 GMT -5
Without the surrounding drama I think the way it went down would've worked well, but with it, yeah, it was just kind of an anticlimactic afterthought. The way it went was absolutely perfect comeuppance for MJF and would have been a big karmic retribution moment that people would have popped crazy hard for. No real room for meta questions, just a "holy shit Wardlow looks unkillable, eat shit Max" to pay off the storyline properly. The wya it went about, it's not even clear if the plan was to put Wardlow over that megahuge or if that was a compromise they came to to get him to be on the show literally at all.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 29, 2022 21:16:25 GMT -5
There's also the fact that Wardlow looked like a total goober giving up his #1 Contendership for the Interim World title to call out the TNT champion, when the class action lawsuit could have been to used as the reason Wardlow couldn't be involved in crowning the interim champion.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 29, 2022 22:11:55 GMT -5
Yeah, he's not wrong. His huge career-defining moment almost went up in smoke because of what MJF was doing and the whole situation overshadowed his match. A solid year of storyline almost added up to nothing for the guy. None of that sounds like kayfabe to me. And Wardlow has sort of cooled off a bit from that high HIs big moment wasn't the big moment it should have been and him as TNT Champ has been busy work thus far but he is still in beginning of his run but he needs a Samoa Joe or something to sink his teeth into
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Post by evilhomer on Aug 29, 2022 22:14:05 GMT -5
It was horrible, and worse since the idea sounded glorious I still don't know how that managed to be as underwhelming as it was, because usually massive squash matches like that are amazing. I feel like a lot of it was the security guys seemed like they were barely trained to bump, or that they only knew how to bump a certain way which is why the match felt so repetitive. It also didn't help matters that each guy was clearly waiting his turn to get squashed. They paused, watched, waited, then when Wardlow was free, attack singlehandedly. The only thing that could have made it more obvious would have been if they were literally standing in a line.
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 29, 2022 22:42:28 GMT -5
Imagine spending a prime year of your career playing a lackey with the promise of a big storyline payoff that'll make it all worth it, you do everything right, and the week of your big moment making all that worth it, you become a tertiary player and afterthought to the weird kayfabe/shoot dynamic of your coworker and your boss. Yeah, that's gotta majorly suck.
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Post by Fade on Aug 29, 2022 22:47:47 GMT -5
I still don't know how that managed to be as underwhelming as it was, because usually massive squash matches like that are amazing. I feel like a lot of it was the security guys seemed like they were barely trained to bump, or that they only knew how to bump a certain way which is why the match felt so repetitive. It also didn't help matters that each guy was clearly waiting his turn to get squashed. They paused, watched, waited, then when Wardlow was free, attack singlehandedly. The only thing that could have made it more obvious would have been if they were literally standing in a line. Yeah, the execution of that was terrible lol
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 29, 2022 22:50:55 GMT -5
I still don't know how that managed to be as underwhelming as it was, because usually massive squash matches like that are amazing. I feel like a lot of it was the security guys seemed like they were barely trained to bump, or that they only knew how to bump a certain way which is why the match felt so repetitive. It also didn't help matters that each guy was clearly waiting his turn to get squashed. They paused, watched, waited, then when Wardlow was free, attack singlehandedly. The only thing that could have made it more obvious would have been if they were literally standing in a line. That was one of the best demonstrations of one of the paradoxes of jobbers: it does, in fact, take skill to be a good jobber. That whole thing would probably have gone better if every jobber were past a certain level of skill, and had a better sense of what to do besides following general directions, but nobody (...almost nobody) would book 20 wrestlers of that competence level into that scenario.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 29, 2022 22:55:30 GMT -5
The Wardlow interview is probably shoot feelings that Wardlow had and is likely over now.
I mean the whole situation with MJF whatever it was took what was supposed to be a moment Wardlow got his biggest pop and was made and... that didn't happen. The whole moment became about MJF. Like Wardlow is still Hella over but that moment was deflated so much due to what ever was/is going on with MJF.
That being said I'm sure Wardlow is over that now
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