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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 2, 2022 7:35:40 GMT -5
Found the answer to the near Decepticon face turn I mentioned earlier! It was Blitzwing in the Five Faces of Darkness Five Parter. I misremembered thinking it was one of the Seekers in season 2, but it was actually one of the triple changers in season 3! It’s been forever since I’ve watched Five Faces of Darkness hence why I misremembered so much about it. I thought the five parter REALLY dragged in some places which is why It’s been so long since I last watched it. But I liked that Bltizwing part of it. Also, coming out right after the movie and being a five episode feature length story it’s kind of the closest thing we ever got to a real Transformers: The Movie sequel. Fun fact: it was originally intended to be Shockwave pulling the face turn, but as his toy was discontinued between the conceptualising and scripting stages of the episode Blitzwing was chosen instead, with his toy's discontinuation not long after resulting in Octane taking on the role of Decepticon outcast in later episodes.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 2, 2022 11:49:41 GMT -5
Found the answer to the near Decepticon face turn I mentioned earlier! It was Blitzwing in the Five Faces of Darkness Five Parter. I misremembered thinking it was one of the Seekers in season 2, but it was actually one of the triple changers in season 3! It’s been forever since I’ve watched Five Faces of Darkness hence why I misremembered so much about it. I thought the five parter REALLY dragged in some places which is why It’s been so long since I last watched it. But I liked that Bltizwing part of it. Also, coming out right after the movie and being a five episode feature length story it’s kind of the closest thing we ever got to a real Transformers: The Movie sequel. Fun fact: it was originally intended to be Shockwave pulling the face turn, but as his toy was discontinued between the conceptualising and scripting stages of the episode Blitzwing was chosen instead, with his toy's discontinuation not long after resulting in Octane taking on the role of Decepticon outcast in later episodes. Shockwave as a face? That would be odd. And not just due to his lack of a face ;-) So he would have been seen to survive Unicron?
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 2, 2022 12:38:50 GMT -5
Keeping the Transformers thing going, one of the Quintessons helped ressurect Optimus Prime.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 2, 2022 13:37:32 GMT -5
Keeping the Transformers thing going, one of the Quintessons helped ressurect Optimus Prime. Don't know if I'd call that a face turn, more a "we're all completely f***ed" turn.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 2, 2022 14:35:45 GMT -5
Fun fact: it was originally intended to be Shockwave pulling the face turn, but as his toy was discontinued between the conceptualising and scripting stages of the episode Blitzwing was chosen instead, with his toy's discontinuation not long after resulting in Octane taking on the role of Decepticon outcast in later episodes. Shockwave as a face? That would be odd. And not just due to his lack of a face ;-) So he would have been seen to survive Unicron? Better than what I heard his fate was (and it possibly was drawn up in an anniversary comic adaptation): being stepped on by Unicron.
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Post by Larryhausen on Jul 2, 2022 16:29:30 GMT -5
I know I'm going into comics and not cartoons, but some of the heel and face turns in the IDW Transformers comics are fantastic. Skywarp joining GI Joe, Thundercracker becoming an amateur filmmaker with a dog, Soundwave turning Mars into a refugee camp for displaced Transformers not welcome on Cybertron, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw being Statler and Waldorf. And of course...
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 3, 2022 9:35:45 GMT -5
Shockwave as a face? That would be odd. And not just due to his lack of a face ;-) So he would have been seen to survive Unicron? Better than what I heard his fate was (and it possibly was drawn up in an anniversary comic adaptation): being stepped on by Unicron. IIRC the original script for the movie had Shockwave being crushed inside his tower in this scene: In the comic adaptation it was changed to this:
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jul 3, 2022 22:23:22 GMT -5
Cartoons of the 1980's gets this reputation of black and white morality, bad guys will always be bad guys, and good guys will always be good guys. It changed in the 90's with shows like Gargoyles and Batman: The Animated Series, that is the narrative. But I think the cartoons of 80's have some character development that we over look. The biggest example, Cyril Sneer, if you watch the show in order, you don't notice, but if you watched one of the specials, or a season 1 episode, and follow that with a season 5 episode, he is so different. Another example the Misfits, they go from schemes that put lives in danger, wanting to destroy Jem and the Holograms, to just wanting to one up them, and no schemes that nearly kill people. Even Beastly, by the end he just becomes a frenemy to the Care Bears. Oh early series Cyril is still abrasive, if no longer dangerous. But even then they were adding little bits here and there to make you sympathize with him. I think he got really easier going when they introduced Lisa and Bentley. He got along better with them than the original three, in fact. (maybe it was the history, or in context of the show only, he didn't trust the media, which Bert and company worked on) Well Lisa and Bentley were kind of the proxy for the audience that wasn't there from the beginning, and just familiar with the recent episodes. Like Toph in Avatar: The Last Airbender. As well as being Julie and Tommy 2.0, and in Lisa's case also being Sophia 2.0 but that is another story.
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