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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2022 13:19:33 GMT -5
I can't say I really feel bad for him... his reign was terrible, but he was still pushed well beyond his talent level and got to be WWE Champion over way more deserving dudes. For real. Dude f***ing scorched earth Nakamura (granted it was Vince's awful racist writing and stupid booking) but still. No sympy. Nakamura was fine after that... the crowd were just as silent as ever when Jinder won... and then Nakamura went on to win the Royal Rumble that everyone was excited for... and then teh AJ Feud happened and Nakamura just wasn't allowed to win anything... |
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Post by Demented on Jul 23, 2022 13:46:15 GMT -5
For real. Dude f***ing scorched earth Nakamura (granted it was Vince's awful racist writing and stupid booking) but still. No sympy. Nakamura was fine after that... the crowd were just as silent as ever when Jinder won... and then Nakamura went on to win the Royal Rumble that everyone was excited for... and then teh AJ Feud happened and Nakamura just wasn't allowed to win anything...
I think it was worth it.
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Post by Woo on Jul 23, 2022 14:19:21 GMT -5
He was like JBL in that he went from jobber to world champ overnight.
JBL managed to go back to midcard though, but Mahal is barely that
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2022 14:41:36 GMT -5
He was like JBL in that he went from jobber to world champ overnight. JBL managed to go back to midcard though, but Mahal is barely that JBL was never a jobber though. he was a midcard tag guy, that always ways treated as a tough bastard even when the APA weren't doing anything. He had Hardcore, Tag, and a European Title wins in his history. Jinder had literally none of that... Jinder was a career jobber. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 23, 2022 14:48:49 GMT -5
I mean... he really didn't have a rise... he was a jobber for life.... and then suddenly he was a world title contender... he was still more or less considered a jobber just with the title. Jack Swagger probably had a bigger fall... I guess he didn't stay as a full time Jobber for too long before ending up back on a tag team... I would say Mahal's is worse. Swagger was still at least a featured midcard guy for another three or four years and even got another main event push that resulted in a Mania World Title match that he would've won if he hadn't got busted for driving high, It wasn't until after his face turn and losing to Rusev a billion times that he started to become an afterthought. Mahal after losing the title had maybe another year where he was still a player with a brief US Title reign and feud with Roman and has been nothing since sans the brief Mcintyre feud last year. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2022 14:54:59 GMT -5
I mean... he really didn't have a rise... he was a jobber for life.... and then suddenly he was a world title contender... he was still more or less considered a jobber just with the title. Jack Swagger probably had a bigger fall... I guess he didn't stay as a full time Jobber for too long before ending up back on a tag team... I would say Mahal's is worse. Swagger was still at least a featured midcard guy for another three or four years and even got another main event push that resulted in a Mania World Title match that he would've won if he hadn't got busted for driving high, It wasn't until after his face turn and losing to Rusev a billion times that he started to become an afterthought. Mahal after losing the title had maybe another year where he was still a player with a brief US Title reign and feud with Roman and has been nothing since sans the brief Mcintyre feud last year. My point was more that Mahal didn't really have a fall because he didn't have a rise. |
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Post by msc on Jul 23, 2022 15:21:32 GMT -5
Jinder holding the belt feels like some sort of fever dream 5 years on!
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 23, 2022 15:23:33 GMT -5
We've had the Summer of Punk. Now we're going to experience the Fall of Mahal which of course will be followed by the Winter of the Vintner.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 23, 2022 16:04:07 GMT -5
It's pretty jarring to go back and watch. Smackdown was on such a role before that happened. Jinder tried his best but dude just wasn't cut out for the role of champ.
Of course the reign was also a huge miscalculation by WWE thinking Jinder as champ would help the tour of India when in reality it did nothing to help to the point where the tour was cut short so Jinder got depushed cause of that.
Though I do always get a chuckle out of how originally WWE was going to go with Brock vs Jinder at Survivor Series and Brock flat out refused to work with him
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 23, 2022 17:25:20 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio
A former world champion and someone who is important enough in wrestling history to main event a HOF class is stuck in a lower card tag team with Eddie Guerrero's dopey son
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 23, 2022 19:27:50 GMT -5
He was like JBL in that he went from jobber to world champ overnight. JBL managed to go back to midcard though, but Mahal is barely that JBL was never a jobber though. he was a midcard tag guy, that always ways treated as a tough bastard even when the APA weren't doing anything. He had Hardcore, Tag, and a European Title wins in his history. Jinder had literally none of that... Jinder was a career jobber. Bradshaw was always well above where Jinder was at his lowest, but I do have to say he was at his weakest when he turned heel and became JBL. The APA had settled into becoming just another team, trading Ws and Ls with the Basham Brothers during their BDSM phase, infamously giving Linda Miles breast implants with a lariat. Bradshaw was also the first man eliminated from the 2004 Royal Rumble. And then the angle that broke up the APA was that Paul Heyman booked the APA in a tag titles match against Scotty 2 Hotty and Rikishi with Ron Simmons's career at stake. However, Heyman led the APA to believe that both their careers were at stake, and Bradshaw took the pin in that match. So, not only was the change from midcard Bradshaw to main event JBL really sudden, but we had to believe a guy who couldn't clutch out a win against Scotty 2 Hotty while under the assumption that his career was at stake was all the sudden Kurt Angle's choice to get the WWE title off of Eddie Guerrero. |
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Post by Woo on Jul 24, 2022 5:30:30 GMT -5
He was like JBL in that he went from jobber to world champ overnight. JBL managed to go back to midcard though, but Mahal is barely that JBL was never a jobber though. he was a midcard tag guy, that always ways treated as a tough bastard even when the APA weren't doing anything. He had Hardcore, Tag, and a European Title wins in his history. Jinder had literally none of that... Jinder was a career jobber. JBL was the first man eliminated from the Rumble a few months before and treated in that match like an absolute nobody. Then he's in a title match 4 months later. It was insane. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 24, 2022 7:07:29 GMT -5
He was like JBL in that he went from jobber to world champ overnight. JBL managed to go back to midcard though, but Mahal is barely that JBL was never a jobber though. he was a midcard tag guy, that always ways treated as a tough bastard even when the APA weren't doing anything. He had Hardcore, Tag, and a European Title wins in his history. Jinder had literally none of that... Jinder was a career jobber. JBL was being groomed for a main event push on Raw in 2002. I doubt he would have made a dent in the reign of terror but he would have at least gotten a Raw title match like Bubba Ray. |
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Post by Terry McConkey on Jul 24, 2022 11:41:56 GMT -5
Jinder only fell because we hindered him!
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jul 24, 2022 12:04:20 GMT -5
Nakamura was fine after that... the crowd were just as silent as ever when Jinder won... and then Nakamura went on to win the Royal Rumble that everyone was excited for... and then teh AJ Feud happened and Nakamura just wasn't allowed to win anything... I think it was worth it.
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