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Post by Cyno on Oct 1, 2022 13:59:26 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 19 immediately came to mind. It's mostly a really fun show but it's absolutely stacked with icons and big matches. Never really have understood why it's buyrate was so low. I think it's because it was the first real post-Attitude Era and WWE-branded Wrestlemania. So the business in general came down a bit from those dizzying heights.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 1, 2022 14:06:12 GMT -5
Wasn't there some issue with 19 where a lot of providers couldn't carry it or something and that is the main reason for the terrible buyrate?
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Post by tntchamp on Oct 1, 2022 14:06:40 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 19 immediately came to mind. It's mostly a really fun show but it's absolutely stacked with icons and big matches. Never really have understood why it's buyrate was so low. I think it's because it was the first real post-Attitude Era and WWE-branded Wrestlemania. So the business in general came down a bit from those dizzying heights. Yeah probably that more so then anything else. Admittedly I can see how the card in theory may not have seemed at the time as the most appealing. Lesnar vs Angle may not have seemed WrestleMania headline worthy to the fans and Hogan vs McMahon may have came off as a ho-hum too (didn't people think this was going to close the show at one point?). Likewise while it made for a great send off(at the time) and in general a great match, I can see how Rock vs Austin for the third time might have been played out for people at that point when it seemed like both men could have had new matches with other guys. Regardless it's all a shame because WrestleMania 19 is probably the second best WrestleMania ppv WWE produced.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Oct 1, 2022 14:10:36 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 19 immediately came to mind. It's mostly a really fun show but it's absolutely stacked with icons and big matches. Never really have understood why it's buyrate was so low. I have always speculated that it was because people knew the outcome of the Triple H vs Booker T match in advance and weren't paying to see that bullshit. More serious answer, I've heard people speculate that it was because the main matches were built on SD instead of Raw for that WM, which had never been done before. Not sure if that's changed during the current Fox era.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 1, 2022 14:48:39 GMT -5
I do admit that Vince making the feud against Hogan such a major part of the promotional efforts for Mania XIX and the show then getting a disappointing buyrate did always make me laugh. As much as I like WM26, that it happened again with the match against Bret was also amusing.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Oct 1, 2022 15:50:16 GMT -5
I do admit that Vince making the feud against Hogan such a major part of the promotional efforts for Mania XIX and the show then getting a disappointing buyrate did always make me laugh. As much as I like WM26, that it happened again with the match against Bret was also amusing. I think it was Meltzer or someone else who said that Vince was a massive TV draw but not so much PPV which kinda makes sense because at the end of the day he's not a wrestler who's going to have a proper match. Vince v Austin drew like crazy on TV and was the key thing that helped Raw start beating Nitro. Even in later years an announcement of "Mr. McMahon appears next week" usually resulted in a big ratings boost. On PPV the character didn't have that same power though. The first Austin/Vince PPV match at St. Valentine's Massacre actually got less buys than Hogan v Flair at Superbrawl the following week. Vince/HHH main eventing Armageddon was one of the lowest buyrates that year. Plus the aforementioned relatively poor buyrates for Wrestlemanias 19 and 26 were his matches were arguably the most hyped on the show even if they didn't go on last.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Oct 1, 2022 16:02:07 GMT -5
I do admit that Vince making the feud against Hogan such a major part of the promotional efforts for Mania XIX and the show then getting a disappointing buyrate did always make me laugh. As much as I like WM26, that it happened again with the match against Bret was also amusing. Other than die-hard fans, the casual Wrestlemania buyer has no interest in an old-timey wrestler locking horns with an old promoter.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 1, 2022 18:33:42 GMT -5
If I recall right despite having two genuine big main events with Bryan Vs Cena, and Punk vs Lesnar, SummerSlam 2013 actually did not have the have the best butyrate turnout. Lesnar had a lot of his shine taken off with the feud with Triple H and going into that match with a 2-2 record, and Bryan was handpicked by Cena to be his opponent. Nobody bought that Bryan was going to win considering he had lost his previous 3 World Title matches, and there was also the grim spectre of Orton-Cena part 34546435757234232342134 hanging over the whole event considering The Viper was holding the MitB briefcase. It's not that surprising that with a weak build and a face vs face main event, Summerslam 2013 didn't do well.
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Post by tntchamp on Oct 1, 2022 18:39:05 GMT -5
If I recall right despite having two genuine big main events with Bryan Vs Cena, and Punk vs Lesnar, SummerSlam 2013 actually did not have the have the best butyrate turnout. Lesnar had a lot of his shine taken off with the feud with Triple H and going into that match with a 2-2 record, and Bryan was handpicked by Cena to be his opponent. Nobody bought that Bryan was going to win considering he had lost his previous 3 World Title matches, and there was also the grim spectre of Orton-Cena part 34546435757234232342134 hanging over the whole event considering The Viper was holding the MitB briefcase. It's not that surprising that with a weak build and a face vs face main event, Summerslam 2013 didn't do well. Yeah as awesome as you he build was to punk and Lesnar, this was around the time Lesnar lost his auora till at least he ended the streak and squashed Cena.
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Post by 4real on Oct 2, 2022 8:25:24 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000 did the 3rd highest buyrate that year - ahead of both Summerslam and the Royal Rumble. I imagine a lot of it was the Angle/Hunter match and Stone Cold appearing but it's still surprising. The product was so hot at that point coming off of Summerslam as well. I can understand Survivor Series getting a bad buy rate though considering WWE fumbled the ‘Who ran over Stone Cold?’ story and gave us a Austin v HHH re do. Rikishi also had no heat at that point so doubt anyone was dying to watch his match with The Rock. Angle v Taker also didn’t get much of a buildup and was on PPV a few months earlier.
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 2, 2022 9:38:39 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000 did the 3rd highest buyrate that year - ahead of both Summerslam and the Royal Rumble. I imagine a lot of it was the Angle/Hunter match and Stone Cold appearing but it's still surprising. The product was so hot at that point coming off of Summerslam as well. I can understand Survivor Series getting a bad buy rate though considering WWE fumbled the ‘Who ran over Stone Cold?’ story and gave us a Austin v HHH re do. Rikishi also had no heat at that point so doubt anyone was dying to watch his match with The Rock. Angle v Taker also didn’t get much of a buildup and was on PPV a few months earlier. It should also be noted that while 2000 was an overall good year for the company, the end started to trail off a bit, not to mention the competition element with WCW was no longer a thing. Even as a 13 year old mark who didn't read the news sites, I knew WCW's days were numbered. Alot of people may point out that the November 19th, 2001 episode of RAW was the start of the never-ending creative downturn for the WWF/E, and they wouldn't be wrong, however, I think the earliest roots of it was a year earlier with the inconclusive Triple H/Kurt Angle/Stephanie McMahon love triangle and the botched "who ran over Austin" angle. They had TWO hot angles that they managed to screw up. For someone who almost always went along with the product, even I felt underwhelmed. The move from USA to TNN(which didn't have that many subscribers yet) also contributed to their decline. Not that it's an excuse for the ratings dropping, but it certainly didn't help matters. Another factor was adding Stephanie McMahon to the creative team, replacing Chris Kreski as the head writer. The WWF was still very profitable at the time, and they had a chance to turn things around, but yeah, those factors were the earliest seeds of WWF/E's creative downturn/popularity and they still haven't fully recovered from it.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 2, 2022 10:20:16 GMT -5
I do admit that Vince making the feud against Hogan such a major part of the promotional efforts for Mania XIX and the show then getting a disappointing buyrate did always make me laugh. As much as I like WM26, that it happened again with the match against Bret was also amusing. Other than die-hard fans, the casual Wrestlemania buyer has no interest in an old-timey wrestler locking horns with an old promoter. It's a shame because for me that's Vince's best match. A low bar to clear, I know.
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Post by koreycaskets on Oct 2, 2022 12:33:30 GMT -5
Could totally be wrong here but wasn't there a ROH PPV with less then 100 buys?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2022 12:48:02 GMT -5
Wrestlemania IX had more buys than Wrestlemania VII and VIII despite being more in a down period than its predecessors and having a subpar card. It is the first pay per view my family ever purchased and I was 9 at that point and had been watching for awhile by then. I had recently become a huge Bret fan moving on from Warrior and Hogan so I wonder if that was the catalyst of why my parents purchased that particular one. Needless to say I was so freakin confused as a child on how to feel regarding that swerve. Felt like I had to choose between my parents or something haha
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Oct 3, 2022 3:50:08 GMT -5
I'm still amazed every time I'm reminded that Nitro was still averaging 4 MILLION viewers a week. In '99 and 2000!!!
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 3, 2022 9:24:28 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 19 immediately came to mind. It's mostly a really fun show but it's absolutely stacked with icons and big matches. Never really have understood why it's buyrate was so low. I think 2003 was just a down year for business in general. It really started to fall a bit in 2001, then absolutely fell of the rails towards the end of 2002.
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