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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Aug 2, 2022 20:09:27 GMT -5
Damn, I haven't watched in a while. Are things really that bad? But Hook, Danhausen, Jamie and Ruby are my favs (and Punk before he got injured). I’ve said it in another thread, but AEW real crime right now is that isn’t quite as good as it was before. Of course by normal wrestling standards, it’s still a fantastic show. But last year so amazing that it set the standard higher and if AEW doesn’t reach those lofty standards, it’s a let down for some people. And for this thread, I love almost everything, but one of the best things is the PPVs feel like real big deals. There is no such thing as a B-Show PPV.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 2, 2022 20:15:58 GMT -5
Like, as annoying as their use of Nyla Rose and Sonny Kiss can be, I can't think of any larger promotions that would even give them a chance except maybe Impact. AEW made a trans woman of color its second ever Women's Champion. That in itself is a hell of a milestone. AEW gave both wrestlers a national stage when their previous ceiling was, at best, larger indies, niche products like Lucha Underground, or going to Japan.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 2, 2022 20:59:45 GMT -5
Damn, I haven't watched in a while. Are things really that bad? But Hook, Danhausen, Jamie and Ruby are my favs (and Punk before he got injured). It's currently a B+ instead of a consistent A or A+ and people are doom and glooming over Triple H taking over creative in WWE.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 2, 2022 21:24:45 GMT -5
Damn, I haven't watched in a while. Are things really that bad? But Hook, Danhausen, Jamie and Ruby are my favs (and Punk before he got injured). It's currently a B+ instead of a consistent A or A+ and people are doom and glooming over Triple H taking over creative in WWE. This as well. Combine in thr awful ending to thr barb wire match the same week and there's a bit more doom and gloom right now.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 2, 2022 22:04:28 GMT -5
For all the doom and gloom about the barbed wire match's execution and result, the next week's Dynamite was almost universally praised and performed better in both demo and overall viewership.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 3, 2022 0:09:12 GMT -5
For all the doom and gloom about the barbed wire match's execution and result, the next week's Dynamite was almost universally praised and performed better in both demo and overall viewership. I say the concept and timing was great, the performers are great. The result was just really bad and disappointing.
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Post by msc on Aug 3, 2022 3:12:01 GMT -5
They are really good at taking young talent unknown to a major audience and making them feel important quickly. Yuta, Wardlow, The Acclaimed, Silver, Jungle Boy, Hook, the list is endless.
Their TV is usually good. Dull episodes are exceptions not the rule.
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Post by Hurbster on Aug 3, 2022 4:38:25 GMT -5
The not so good things just stand out more as the overall product is very good.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 3, 2022 5:57:42 GMT -5
For all the doom and gloom about the barbed wire match's execution and result, the next week's Dynamite was almost universally praised and performed better in both demo and overall viewership. That's why I said was a combo of things. They were clearly stalling things for Kenny to come back, then the UE got hurt so they had to pivot with the Bucks,Danielson being hurt changed thing. Punk being hurt changed things. The Jeff situation combined with how bad thr Hardys looked against the Bucks changed things. To me from Forbidden Door to about last week (which was a great episode) it felt like Dynamite was kind of in a holding pattern to figure out what to do since so many things had to be rewritten.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Aug 3, 2022 6:19:03 GMT -5
Despite its detractors, AEW's deep roster of guys that can fill in for other big names as needed is a giant plus.
Storytelling/angles generally never insult the fans intelligence.
AEW rarely if ever feels over produced.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 3, 2022 7:11:45 GMT -5
Damn, I haven't watched in a while. Are things really that bad? But Hook, Danhausen, Jamie and Ruby are my favs (and Punk before he got injured). It's currently a B+ instead of a consistent A or A+ and people are doom and glooming over Triple H taking over creative in WWE. The WWE has hope for the first time in decades but just like with Tony Khan, Triple H's honeymoon period will expire at some point.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Aug 3, 2022 7:49:44 GMT -5
For all the doom and gloom about the barbed wire match's execution and result, the next week's Dynamite was almost universally praised and performed better in both demo and overall viewership. That's why I said was a combo of things. They were clearly stalling things for Kenny to come back, then the UE got hurt so they had to pivot with the Bucks,Danielson being hurt changed thing. Punk being hurt changed things. The Jeff situation combined with how bad thr Hardys looked against the Bucks changed things. To me from Forbidden Door to about last week (which was a great episode) it felt like Dynamite was kind of in a holding pattern to figure out what to do since so many things had to be rewritten. Yeah I was thinking similar when I was out exercising earlier. It’s amazing how much my mind wanders to wrestling when I’m doing so lol but yeah all the injuries in quick succession, then the buildup to a PPV that whilst cool meant not a lot in terms of AEWs overall narrative (I know interim champ etc.), Tony booking two companies within the one show now that ROH is involved, mixed in with some disappointing booking decisions (I know why Jericho beat Kingston but still that took the wind out the sails) has brought the overall mood down a bit Dynamite was really good last week though so hopefully gets a bit of momentum back (Though I still can’t believe we’re doing Matt Hardy vs Christian this week)
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Aug 3, 2022 10:56:56 GMT -5
The not so good things just stand out more as the overall product is very good. I’ve always thought that too. In some ways, when people freak out about something that didn’t go right, it’s almost a credit to how well the show normally does. You’re right, it does make the bad stick out more. When the finish to the Eddie/Jericho match happened, I tried my best to avoid this place, because I KNEW it would piss people off. It pissdd me off too, but I didn’t need that negativity. Heck, the more negativity that happens here, the more I’ve tired to step away from this place. Which sucks, but can get pretty unfun here whenever something mildly bad happens.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 3, 2022 11:22:14 GMT -5
The not so good things just stand out more as the overall product is very good. Plus, the stuff that doesn't work is often more interesting to talk about. I remember writing a damn essay about what I didn't like about FTR vs. Hangman & Omega, but I barely have anything to say about good FTR matches. Like, those dudes sure do go out there and do everything with pristine timing and great energy and it's almost always the best of wrestling, but there's just more to say about the times when they're still doing all of those things right and the result isn't so good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 11:31:18 GMT -5
The WWE has hope for the first time in decades but just like with Tony Khan, Triple H's honeymoon period will expire at some point. Hell, if it wasn’t for Vince being so bafflingly awful for the better part of 20 years, HHH’s appointment would be seen as a slight step-up at best. NXT from late 2018 to the 2.0 rebrand embodied the absolute worst excesses of the WWE style: inept babyfaces and way too dominant heels, 40-minute main event matches with a million finisher kickouts, and absolutely putrid melodrama under the guise of “storytelling.” That’s to say nothing of covering for and pushing scumbags like Velveteen Dream. There was still a lot of good stuff - the War Raiders vs Aleister Black and Ricochet tag match from Takeover NY still stands as one of my favorite tags ever - but there was a lot of garbage too.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 3, 2022 14:51:32 GMT -5
The WWE has hope for the first time in decades but just like with Tony Khan, Triple H's honeymoon period will expire at some point. Hell, if it wasn’t for Vince being so bafflingly awful for the better part of 20 years, HHH’s appointment would be seen as a slight step-up at best. NXT from late 2018 to the 2.0 rebrand embodied the absolute worst excesses of the WWE style: inept babyfaces and way too dominant heels, 40-minute main event matches with a million finisher kickouts, and absolutely putrid melodrama under the guise of “storytelling.” That’s to say nothing of covering for and pushing scumbags like Velveteen Dream. There was still a lot of good stuff - the War Raiders vs Aleister Black and Ricochet tag match from Takeover NY still stands as one of my favorite tags ever - but there was a lot of garbage too. Yeah, I’m hoping Triple H’s main roster approach is more a mix of his early NXT stuff and the positives that main roster WWE already has (memorable characters, emphasis on big moments, pomp and circumstance).
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 3, 2022 14:58:23 GMT -5
It's honestly easier for me to list the very, very few negative things I have to say about AEW than the litany of positive things. AEW is an awesome company that puts on an awesome product. Most things I think about it are positive.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 3, 2022 15:00:52 GMT -5
The WWE has hope for the first time in decades but just like with Tony Khan, Triple H's honeymoon period will expire at some point. Hell, if it wasn’t for Vince being so bafflingly awful for the better part of 20 years, HHH’s appointment would be seen as a slight step-up at best. NXT from late 2018 to the 2.0 rebrand embodied the absolute worst excesses of the WWE style: inept babyfaces and way too dominant heels, 40-minute main event matches with a million finisher kickouts, and absolutely putrid melodrama under the guise of “storytelling.” That’s to say nothing of covering for and pushing scumbags like Velveteen Dream. There was still a lot of good stuff - the War Raiders vs Aleister Black and Ricochet tag match from Takeover NY still stands as one of my favorite tags ever - but there was a lot of garbage too. That Bobby Roode title run...
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 3, 2022 16:25:37 GMT -5
Hell, if it wasn’t for Vince being so bafflingly awful for the better part of 20 years, HHH’s appointment would be seen as a slight step-up at best. NXT from late 2018 to the 2.0 rebrand embodied the absolute worst excesses of the WWE style: inept babyfaces and way too dominant heels, 40-minute main event matches with a million finisher kickouts, and absolutely putrid melodrama under the guise of “storytelling.” That’s to say nothing of covering for and pushing scumbags like Velveteen Dream. There was still a lot of good stuff - the War Raiders vs Aleister Black and Ricochet tag match from Takeover NY still stands as one of my favorite tags ever - but there was a lot of garbage too. Yeah, I’m hoping Triple H’s main roster approach is more a mix of his early NXT stuff and the positives that main roster WWE already has (memorable characters, emphasis on big moments, pomp and circumstance). Ryan Ward and Dusty were also a major part of NXT's early success, so when Dusty died and then Ryan Ward wasn't part of NXT's creative team anymore, the brand did start having more flaws later on.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 3, 2022 17:07:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m hoping Triple H’s main roster approach is more a mix of his early NXT stuff and the positives that main roster WWE already has (memorable characters, emphasis on big moments, pomp and circumstance). Ryan Ward and Dusty were also a major part of NXT's early success, so when Dusty died and then Ryan Ward wasn't part of NXT's creative team anymore, the brand did start having more flaws later on. I will always say people under sell how important Ryan Ward has been to WWE. Both NXT and Smackdown's best runs came with him as the head writer
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