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Post by Cyno on Aug 14, 2022 18:00:33 GMT -5
In terms of someone ex-WWE TNA picked up and pushed as a big deal right away that I do completely understand was Mr. Anderson. It didn't ultimately really work out well, mix of TNA doing shitty stuff with him and turning him constantly which destroyed his momentum and him just not rising to the level as a talent most of the time, but I totally get why they did it in his case because he'd had a lot of unrealized potential in WWE and was cut pretty abruptly. Mr. Anderson had so many turns in such a short period, it made Big Show go "settle down a bit, man."
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 14, 2022 18:04:29 GMT -5
In terms of someone ex-WWE TNA picked up and pushed as a big deal right away that I do completely understand was Mr. Anderson. It didn't ultimately really work out well, mix of TNA doing shitty stuff with him and turning him constantly which destroyed his momentum and him just not rising to the level as a talent most of the time, but I totally get why they did it in his case because he'd had a lot of unrealized potential in WWE and was cut pretty abruptly. Mr. Anderson had so many turns in such a short period, it made Big Show go "settle down a bit, man." Anderson after all the face and heel turn plans in TNA:
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Post by tirtefaa on Aug 14, 2022 18:19:19 GMT -5
It was fine bringing other talent in, but with the exception of Christian I didn't want to see them in a heavily pushed position. Raven and Rhino don't really count since that happened before TNA was putting on a weekly show.
The tipping point for me was when they brought Kurt Angle in and he beat Samoa Joe immediately. The ironic thing for me was that I didn't really like Joe, but Kurt was my favorite of all time...yet I knew it was the wrong decision. I also didn't like Kurt becoming the central focus of the show, despite his immense talent, I'd seen most of that stuff already and I was looking at TNA as the future. I was just getting over Jarrett being the focus of the show and now Kurt? I knew it wouldn't work and tuned out permanently soon afterward.
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Post by Andee9001 on Aug 14, 2022 20:00:20 GMT -5
Booker Ts run was so mind numbingly awful. I don't think he put over anyone, did a whole lot of silly accents and had a title created for him because he complained about not having a belt. His run there ended with him doing a concious stretcher job because he refused to put Matt Morgan over on the way out. How and why TNA let him away with it i will never know.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 14, 2022 20:26:25 GMT -5
I'm still firmly convinced Gail was massively overpushed because someone in TNA thought of courting Robert Irvine as an investor, because that's the only way it makes sense to me. That and Dixie did not want her to leave and if you're Gail why would you love being a medium fish in a very small pond. It was an all around perfect circumstance for her and not so much else for other women The thing was like... Gail wasn't going to go anywhere. Not after how she quit the WWE the second time. Not that I think the WWE would have taken her back if she didn't just walk out of a match randomly... since she was awful in her second wwe run and literally botched like everything... even when up against people like Mickie James.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 14, 2022 20:27:28 GMT -5
Booker Ts run was so mind numbingly awful. I don't think he put over anyone, did a whole lot of silly accents and had a title created for him because he complained about not having a belt. His run there ended with him doing a concious stretcher job because he refused to put Matt Morgan over on the way out. How and why TNA let him away with it i will never know. Cause as stated multiple times Dixie was more enamored with people that she saw on tv than people she had on her own roster.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 14, 2022 20:30:07 GMT -5
That and Dixie did not want her to leave and if you're Gail why would you love being a medium fish in a very small pond. It was an all around perfect circumstance for her and not so much else for other women The thing was like... Gail wasn't going to go anywhere. Not after how she quit the WWE the second time. Not that I think the WWE would have taken her back if she didn't just walk out of a match randomly... since she was awful in her second run and literally botched like everything... even when up against people like Mickie James. And Dixie did not realize that She treated Gail like a top star she did not want to lose and all other women they got were at the mercy of her. Hell, Gail basically left on her own terms retiring with the title putting no one over. Only to come out of retirement to put Tessa Blanchard over
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 14, 2022 20:53:47 GMT -5
The thing was like... Gail wasn't going to go anywhere. Not after how she quit the WWE the second time. Not that I think the WWE would have taken her back if she didn't just walk out of a match randomly... since she was awful in her second run and literally botched like everything... even when up against people like Mickie James. And Dixie did not realize that She treated Gail like a top star she did not want to lose and all other women they got were at the mercy of her. Hell, Gail basically left on her own terms retiring with the title putting no one over. Only to come out of retirement to put Tessa Blanchard over I think the fact that Gail also basically picked TNA over the WWE had something to do with it... as like almost anyone else in that position took the WWE ever ytime.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 14, 2022 21:03:55 GMT -5
And Dixie did not realize that She treated Gail like a top star she did not want to lose and all other women they got were at the mercy of her. Hell, Gail basically left on her own terms retiring with the title putting no one over. Only to come out of retirement to put Tessa Blanchard over I think the fact that Gail also basically picked TNA over the WWE had something to do with it... as like almost anyone else in that position took the WWE ever ytime. I remember when her and Christian came back to WWE at the same time, Christian basically said this is his retirement money and I think same applied for Gail. Once she married her husband, she was set and didn't have to worry about money. I think anything short of a top run was not going get back but as the years went on the WWE women was getting better and after how her last run went, no way was they bending over backwards for her like TNA/Impact was
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 14, 2022 22:04:37 GMT -5
Sean Morley showing up, beating Daniels in his debut, and then f***ing off mere months later really says it all. The problem isn't in AEW hiring bigger names and cult workhorses out of WWE just like it wasn't a problem for TNA to bring in guys like Christian and have them be big deals. TNA was, at one period, willing to take literally anyone and push them way too hard while they put in half the work they did in WWE. It did however, give us "SIT DOWN BROOKE! SIT DOWN BROOKE! SIT DOWN BROOKE!" as a chant because for some reason a plotline was Brooke was attracted to Val in this feud, which was, and still is, very hilarious.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 14, 2022 22:27:04 GMT -5
I know there's been a bit of a Gail Kim backlash in recent years, but I still think not listing her as a good ex-WWE pickup seems odd. She undoubtably helped turn the Knockouts into one of the hottest things in wrestling at the time during her first run. Remember when KO segments were getting the highest ratings on the show?
I get the complaints about her second run though.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 15, 2022 6:21:05 GMT -5
I know there's been a bit of a Gail Kim backlash in recent years, but I still think not listing her as a good ex-WWE pickup seems odd. She undoubtably helped turn the Knockouts into one of the hottest things in wrestling at the time during her first run. Remember when KO segments were getting the highest ratings on the show? I get the complaints about her second run though. Oh yeah, her first run was a great signing, even if I often forget about that era from her first run where she was a heel. They leaned on her so hard as their top face knockout that it's easy to overlook that it wasn't always that way. Even the return wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't book her like she the was 1998 Stone Cold.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 15, 2022 20:22:00 GMT -5
Booker Ts run was so mind numbingly awful. I don't think he put over anyone, did a whole lot of silly accents and had a title created for him because he complained about not having a belt. His run there ended with him doing a concious stretcher job because he refused to put Matt Morgan over on the way out. How and why TNA let him away with it i will never know. Cause as stated multiple times Dixie was more enamored with people that she saw on tv than people she had on her own roster. Yeah Billy Gunn said in a shoot that Dixie assumed that if you were in WWE/F that you were a huge star and when those stars were booed or ratings tanked she immediately blamed TNA originals.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 15, 2022 20:32:08 GMT -5
Cause as stated multiple times Dixie was more enamored with people that she saw on tv than people she had on her own roster. Yeah Billy Gunn said in a shoot that Dixie assumed that if you were in WWE/F that you were a huge star and when those stars were booed or ratings tanked she immediately blamed TNA originals. which is basically exactly what she said in response to the Fire Russo chants... if it ever got chanted again she'd fire another member of the writing team.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2022 20:49:55 GMT -5
Yeah Billy Gunn said in a shoot that Dixie assumed that if you were in WWE/F that you were a huge star and when those stars were booed or ratings tanked she immediately blamed TNA originals. which is basically exactly what she said in response to the Fire Russo chants... if it ever got chanted again she'd fire another member of the writing team. If Dixie had any type of screen presence like Bischoff she would been a great character with EC3 in NXT
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 16, 2022 23:41:05 GMT -5
In terms of someone ex-WWE TNA picked up and pushed as a big deal right away that I do completely understand was Mr. Anderson. It didn't ultimately really work out well, mix of TNA doing shitty stuff with him and turning him constantly which destroyed his momentum and him just not rising to the level as a talent most of the time, but I totally get why they did it in his case because he'd had a lot of unrealized potential in WWE and was cut pretty abruptly. Mr. Anderson had so many turns in such a short period, it made Big Show go "settle down a bit, man." don't forget that long ass period where all he did was bitch and moan about wanting a rematch... or the time he was the valiant face that got his heel opponent drunk to ambush and beat him up...
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Post by wrestlingrecap on Aug 18, 2022 21:00:01 GMT -5
Mr. Anderson had so many turns in such a short period, it made Big Show go "settle down a bit, man." don't forget that long ass period where all he did was bitch and moan about wanting a rematch... or the time he was the valiant face that got his heel opponent drunk to ambush and beat him up... I really liked his Asshole era, but then they couldn't air the chants so he had to like stop saying it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 18, 2022 21:04:46 GMT -5
don't forget that long ass period where all he did was bitch and moan about wanting a rematch... or the time he was the valiant face that got his heel opponent drunk to ambush and beat him up... I really liked his Asshole era, but then they couldn't air the chants so he had to like stop saying it. More like he said it himself way too much
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Post by wrestlingrecap on Aug 19, 2022 17:49:20 GMT -5
I really liked his Asshole era, but then they couldn't air the chants so he had to like stop saying it. More like he said it himself way too much Yeah, that's very true
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 19, 2022 17:52:41 GMT -5
Mr. Anderson had so many turns in such a short period, it made Big Show go "settle down a bit, man." don't forget that long ass period where all he did was bitch and moan about wanting a rematch... or the time he was the valiant face that got his heel opponent drunk to ambush and beat him up... Or the time Samuel Shaw threatened to jump off the cage and "end it all" and Anderson told him to do it
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