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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 13:06:34 GMT -5
So I just started watching this series last night out of nowhere and man it's both amazing and super frustrating...It's like a full on roundtable/podcast format that could have been absolutely exceptional but it's clearly bias and the accompanying videos during the talking points are so random on both content and length...Sometimes they will play the entire match or segment after mentioning something and other times they will play 5 seconds of a clip and not even show what they mentioned. This format could have been really great especially with the rotating list of people...Except JJ he didn't seem to give a crap whatsoever.
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Post by msc on Aug 17, 2022 10:51:03 GMT -5
We used to shit on Mike Graham's making every story about him for years on that show. Felt slightly bad when he killed himself tbh.
The one that sticks most in my mind is the one where JR and DDP nearly go to blows over celebrities in wrestling. Grumpy JR vs a Dallas taking none of that without a comeback.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 15:22:34 GMT -5
We used to shit on Mike Graham's making every story about him for years on that show. Felt slightly bad when he killed himself tbh. The one that sticks most in my mind is the one where JR and DDP nearly go to blows over celebrities in wrestling. Grumpy JR vs a Dallas taking none of that without a comeback. The Graham situation is crazy with Eddie committing suicide then Mike's own son committing suicide just a few years prior to Mike while attending the same biker rally/show that Mike was in town attending when he killed himself.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 18, 2022 10:52:14 GMT -5
It was a sad story. Mike's wife said that Mike had wondered since his father and son killed themselves he must have been a bad son and father himself. It's really sad. I really only knew Mike from the DVDs as he was done wrestling a bit before my time and may have been a backstage WCW guy. I was jokingly pissed at him for saying it was his idea to Eric of "no more clashes." Clashes were awesome. I do always sense a bit of anymosity between the loyal WCW versus WWE guys. One show with Bruce, Eric and Bradshaw it looked like Bradshaw was drunk and just waiting for a cue to beat down Bischoff. And then on a recent one Kofi said he would tape Nitro to watch next day and watch Raw live. Who was watching stinky 1996 Raws in favor of Nitros on Monday nights? It was obviously a "I like my job too much" type of quote from him.
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 18, 2022 13:44:11 GMT -5
. And then on a recent one Kofi said he would tape Nitro to watch next day and watch Raw live. Who was watching stinky 1996 Raws in favor of Nitros on Monday nights? It was obviously a "I like my job too much" type of quote from him. He would have been a teenager in 1996, so there's a chance he couldnt watch both hours of Nitro, since he had school the next day, but RAW was airing at 8pm starting in the fall of 96 so maybe that was his reason.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 18, 2022 14:11:26 GMT -5
He would have been a teenager in 1996, so there's a chance he couldnt watch both hours of Nitro, since he had school the next day, but RAW was airing at 8pm starting in the fall of 96 so maybe that was his reason. Good point. I just wonder what people would be saying if WCW had won and were doing documentaries. The paycheck for these docs is coming from WWE or coming from their legends or current roster contracts so it's always very heavily pro WWE. I didn't have a favorite then or now. I don't remember why but I stopped watching wrestling after January 1997 until June 1997. Might have been the Souled Out show that did me in. I was getting all the WCW PPVs but not WWF.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 23, 2022 13:51:38 GMT -5
I was not expecting this thread to be so unbelievably dark
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Post by tafkaga on Aug 23, 2022 14:03:40 GMT -5
He would have been a teenager in 1996, so there's a chance he couldnt watch both hours of Nitro, since he had school the next day, but RAW was airing at 8pm starting in the fall of 96 so maybe that was his reason. Good point. I just wonder what people would be saying if WCW had won and were doing documentaries. The paycheck for these docs is coming from WWE or coming from their legends or current roster contracts so it's always very heavily pro WWE. I didn't have a favorite then or now. I don't remember why but I stopped watching wrestling after January 1997 until June 1997. Might have been the Souled Out show that did me in. I was getting all the WCW PPVs but not WWF. WCW would not have tried to bury the WWF had they won. The burial of WCW amounts to Vince's fragile ego, his disdain for losing to a company he had no respect for, and lack of respect for pro wrestling in general. WCW always showed more respect for the business as a whole, including WWF, because they saw WWF as the big brother they wanted to grow up and be just like. If WCW had won, Bischoff would have gloated for a while, and then probably ended up putting over most of the WWF headliners at WCW WrestleMania.
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Post by J. Hova on Aug 23, 2022 21:49:19 GMT -5
The victors write the history, just remember that.
I like the series for what it is and some of JR's stories are pretty funny about Stu Hart and Danny Hodge.
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Post by Fundertaker on Aug 25, 2022 4:40:12 GMT -5
I love this series. But you can tell when they are trying to kiss ass, how everyone's tone changes to a more neutral than the somewhat passionate one they had a few moments ago.
But it's the stories that make those shows really work.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 13, 2022 17:14:37 GMT -5
I generally loved this show but any episode with Michael Hayes is unwatchable
Pretty sure he interrupts JR during his first question in the Nitro episode
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 13, 2022 21:59:43 GMT -5
Good point. I just wonder what people would be saying if WCW had won and were doing documentaries. The paycheck for these docs is coming from WWE or coming from their legends or current roster contracts so it's always very heavily pro WWE. I didn't have a favorite then or now. I don't remember why but I stopped watching wrestling after January 1997 until June 1997. Might have been the Souled Out show that did me in. I was getting all the WCW PPVs but not WWF. WCW would not have tried to bury the WWF had they won. The burial of WCW amounts to Vince's fragile ego, his disdain for losing to a company he had no respect for, and lack of respect for pro wrestling in general. WCW always showed more respect for the business as a whole, including WWF, because they saw WWF as the big brother they wanted to grow up and be just like. If WCW had won, Bischoff would have gloated for a while, and then probably ended up putting over most of the WWF headliners at WCW WrestleMania. Bischoff absolutely would have absolutely done the same shit. Maybe not to the degree but he would absolutely pull the WWF was never any good card. Though it actually wouldn't have mattered cause... well if WCW won... it still gets closed in 2001 and main stream wrestling in America dies.
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Post by tafkaga on Sept 14, 2022 9:44:24 GMT -5
WCW would not have tried to bury the WWF had they won. The burial of WCW amounts to Vince's fragile ego, his disdain for losing to a company he had no respect for, and lack of respect for pro wrestling in general. WCW always showed more respect for the business as a whole, including WWF, because they saw WWF as the big brother they wanted to grow up and be just like. If WCW had won, Bischoff would have gloated for a while, and then probably ended up putting over most of the WWF headliners at WCW WrestleMania. Bischoff absolutely would have absolutely done the same shit. Maybe not to the degree but he would absolutely pull the WWF was never any good card. Though it actually wouldn't have mattered cause... well if WCW won... it still gets closed in 2001 and main stream wrestling in America dies. He would have gloated, sure. He would have rubbed Vince's nose in it. But would he have buried the WWF, its talent, its legacy in the same way that Vince made a concerted effort to bury WCW and virtually anything that was synonymous with the WCW brand? I don't think so. Vince won the MNW and was still more bitter about it than his competition, and that's why his handling of the WCW IP was so irrational. I think Eric wanted to win and wanted to gloat but I don't think he had the same animosity toward Vince or the WWF that they had toward him.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Jun 9, 2023 20:12:46 GMT -5
It's obvious what I chose, as I have over 100 hours of Raw on tape but no Nitro recorded. I'd either watch the 7pm hour (or 10pm replay) of Nitro in my room while having both hours of Raw set to record while I took a nap before my 11pm-6am shift at work.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jun 10, 2023 13:36:36 GMT -5
We would watch the first hour of Nitro,then flip to Raww for all of it. Then back to TNT to catch the Nitro replay.
That lasted until Jan 98. Where it became forget about Nitro and just watch Raw.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Jun 10, 2023 22:13:50 GMT -5
Bischoff absolutely would have absolutely done the same shit. Maybe not to the degree but he would absolutely pull the WWF was never any good card. Though it actually wouldn't have mattered cause... well if WCW won... it still gets closed in 2001 and main stream wrestling in America dies. He would have gloated, sure. He would have rubbed Vince's nose in it. But would he have buried the WWF, its talent, its legacy in the same way that Vince made a concerted effort to bury WCW and virtually anything that was synonymous with the WCW brand? I don't think so. Vince won the MNW and was still more bitter about it than his competition, and that's why his handling of the WCW IP was so irrational. I think Eric wanted to win and wanted to gloat but I don't think he had the same animosity toward Vince or the WWF that they had toward him. Eric tried to bury the WWF and their talent on live television every week. There is absolutely no doubt that he would have continued had he won.
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Post by tafkaga on Jun 11, 2023 8:47:39 GMT -5
He would have gloated, sure. He would have rubbed Vince's nose in it. But would he have buried the WWF, its talent, its legacy in the same way that Vince made a concerted effort to bury WCW and virtually anything that was synonymous with the WCW brand? I don't think so. Vince won the MNW and was still more bitter about it than his competition, and that's why his handling of the WCW IP was so irrational. I think Eric wanted to win and wanted to gloat but I don't think he had the same animosity toward Vince or the WWF that they had toward him. Eric tried to bury the WWF and their talent on live television every week. There is absolutely no doubt that he would have continued had he won. He did it for competition and a television rating. He didn't do it because he felt contempt for the competition, like Vince did.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jun 14, 2023 20:13:28 GMT -5
Eric tried to bury the WWF and their talent on live television every week. There is absolutely no doubt that he would have continued had he won. He did it for competition and a television rating. He didn't do it because he felt contempt for the competition, like Vince did. I think you’re right. Another is if WCW won the war and WCW purchased the WWF; Eric would have booked the invasion storyline properly. He would have made the incoming WWF wrestlers seem like a legit threat to WCW. He wouldn’t have treated them like a joke
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Post by tafkaga on Jun 15, 2023 15:05:22 GMT -5
He did it for competition and a television rating. He didn't do it because he felt contempt for the competition, like Vince did. I think you’re right. Another is if WCW won the war and WCW purchased the WWF; Eric would have booked the invasion storyline properly. He would have made the incoming WWF wrestlers seem like a legit threat to WCW. He wouldn’t have treated them like a joke If Eric screwed it up, it would be in the other direction, by putting the WWF guys over the WCW guys.
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