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Post by sungod2020 on Sept 13, 2022 18:07:45 GMT -5
I never understand the matches where a guy wrestles the whole match competitively and then turns on his partner(s) at the very end. Seems like a waste of energy. Austin turning on Team WWF is one that comes to mind. Unless you just wanted to ensure the loss, it seems to make more sense to do it earlier. There are some good examples such as Barry Windham turning on Lex Luger in 1988. The Horseman had been recruiting him to be a singles star and planting the seed that he couldn't count on Lex. Then during a grueling match where Barry and Lex are defending the tag titles against Arn and Tully, Barry needs a tag and Lex isn't there. JJ Dillon starts yelling from the outside "I told you he wouldn't be there for you". So Barry thinks it over and then turns on Lex and joins the Horseman. Same premise with run ins. Like why did Paul Wight let Vince McMahon get beaten half to death by Steve Austin before interfering. As soon as the cage door closes, get your ass in there! I do like that Buff Bagwell immediately turned on Rick Steiner in a match and bailed on him, leaving it as 2 on 1 until Buff came back to cheat for the opponents, for some reason dressed as Bill Clinton since '90s. Thing is, this STILL didn't work, and Rick won. I guess Buff Bagwell technically won, too, then. I guess that does show there is one reason to wait, if you're thinking it will help you make it count, but that still requires some generous benefit of the doubt from the audience on it making any sense. 2 reasons in kayfabe I can think of to turn on your partner later in the match - 1)let said partner get worn down as the match progresses, that way, it'll give the opposition a better chance at beating him(or is it them), and 2)to keep his guard down. by having the betrayer partake in the match, it'll make the betrayee think their on the same page and then when he finally does turn, it'll catch him(the person being betrayed) by surprise. As far as Vince McMahon waiting for The Big Show to do a run in later on in the match, it could be seen that Vince thought he can handle the Texas Rattlesnake, and that he had Show come in as a backup plan if things didn't go his way. Sadly for Vince and Show, that backfired as Austin won the match due to Show inadvertently throwing him out of the cage. |
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Post by sungod2020 on Sept 14, 2022 7:32:00 GMT -5
In an addendum to MJF's working safely promo, at Souled Out 1998, Booker T defended his TV championship against Rick Martel. It was a face vs. face match. During the match, Martel was hurt in the corner and Booker asked him if he was okay. It's a wrestling match, he's suppose to hurt him why worry if he's okay? Now, if this was after the match and he unintentionally injured him, I can see him do that since it would've been honorable combat with the sole intent of winning and nothing more, but not during the match. Even the narrative of Wrestling Bios pointed that out.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 14, 2022 7:45:35 GMT -5
In an addendum to MJF's working safely promo, at Souled Out 1998, Booker T defended his TV championship against Rick Martel. It was a face vs. face match. During the match, Martel was hurt in the corner and Booker asked him if he was okay. It's a wrestling match, he's suppose to hurt him why worry if he's okay? Now, if this was after the match and he unintentionally injured him, I can see him do that since it would've been honorable combat with the sole intent of winning and nothing more, but not during the match. Even the narrative of Wrestling Bios pointed that out. I mean if you really go back to the root of things its wrestling. The goal is to grapple your opponent until he is tired or stunned enough to be pinned for a three count. Or to put him in a hold that he cannot escape or is so painful that he has to tap out. Injuring someone is not necessary or desirable. The very idea of wrestling being a sport with less risk of injury is why in kayfabe they can wrestle multiple times a week when in real combat sports they fight a couple of times a year. Or why a ref tells them to quit punching and stay off the ropes. |
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Post by Sam Punk on Sept 14, 2022 7:46:48 GMT -5
I suppose if they exploit it, the rule would get changed. Better off to save it for a time they really need it.
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Post by wildojinx on Sept 14, 2022 7:46:56 GMT -5
The Brian Pillman/Marlena angle. Made no sense when you realize that Melanie Pillman was already established as his wife in the gun angle, therefore she wasnt just his real life wife, she was also his kayfabe wife. Are we supposed to think that Melanie was ok with this? Maybe if Pillman had lived and they had done the "Marlena walks out on Dustin and goes with Brian" part, we could have had Melanie confront him on this, but sadly, Brian died before the angle could conclude.
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Post by sungod2020 on Sept 14, 2022 7:52:02 GMT -5
The Brian Pillman/Marlena angle. Made no sense when you realize that Melanie Pillman was already established as his wife in the gun angle, therefore she wasnt just his real life wife, she was also his kayfabe wife. Are we supposed to think that Melanie was ok with this? Maybe if Pillman had lived and they had done the "Marlena walks out on Dustin and goes with Brian" part, we could have had Melanie confront him on this, but sadly, Brian died before the angle could conclude. It was made even more awkward with that uncomfortable interview she did on RAW the day after his death. |
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Post by eudypfohl on Oct 12, 2022 17:51:34 GMT -5
Eliminated guys throwing out guys who are still in the Rumble. If you're gone that's it. You shouldn't be able to impact the match in any way shape or form. If you're seen throwing out or assisting in the elimination of another wrestler then that wrestler should be allowed back in
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 12, 2022 18:03:30 GMT -5
Eliminated guys throwing out guys who are still in the Rumble. If you're gone that's it. You shouldn't be able to impact the match in any way shape or form. If you're seen throwing out or assisting in the elimination of another wrestler then that wrestler should be allowed back in That's exactly what happened in the 1996 Royal Rumble when Vader came back in and cleared house. He even pressed slam Shawn Michaels over the top rope, but his elimination didn't count. Maybe that's how it was ran in the Gorilla Monsoon administration. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 12, 2022 18:03:46 GMT -5
Eliminated guys throwing out guys who are still in the Rumble. If you're gone that's it. You shouldn't be able to impact the match in any way shape or form. If you're seen throwing out or assisting in the elimination of another wrestler then that wrestler should be allowed back in They are…if the angle calls for it. |
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Oct 12, 2022 19:16:42 GMT -5
Eliminated guys throwing out guys who are still in the Rumble. If you're gone that's it. You shouldn't be able to impact the match in any way shape or form. If you're seen throwing out or assisting in the elimination of another wrestler then that wrestler should be allowed back in That's exactly what happened in the 1996 Royal Rumble when Vader came back in and cleared house. He even pressed slam Shawn Michaels over the top rope, but his elimination didn't count. Maybe that's how it was ran in the Gorilla Monsoon administration. 1997: He let Ahmed Johnson storm back in with a 2x4, hitting Faarooq until he went over the top rope. Ahmed was asked to leave, but Faarooq...he's still gone. |
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Oct 12, 2022 20:24:21 GMT -5
Similarly, I know there were wrestlers who took multiple Big Whoopsies from Earthquake and were back sooner than Hulk Hogan was, who had to recover and contemplate his future in the WWF? On that topic, months after killing Damian, Jake welcomes Quake into his Survivor Series team? 1. Hogan was still recovering physically & emotionally from his loss to Warrior and Quake attacked him on the Brother Love stage, which was a harder surface than the ring. 2. At the 1987 Survivor Series, Ricky Steamboat teamed with Jake and Randy Savage, despite both men trying to murder him in the prior year. It taught Jake the power of forgiveness. |
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Post by tntchamp on Oct 13, 2022 12:42:18 GMT -5
The biggest one to me is that Wrestlers will sometimes openly try to attempt murder on another wrestler, and the worst thing that happens is they get either shocked reactions (if they are a babyface) or get called a horrible person (if a heel). Like why would they attempt that on live TV or PPV in front of multiple witnesses or for that matter commit a offense that will get them sent to prison. For that matter anytime two wrestlers that have a intense blood feud with each other then later down the line if they are both the same alignment, will all of the sudden be cool with each other. I get some people are more forgiving about pass transactions but some of the lines these people cross seem like things no one would ever just simply brush off. If nothing else I like it when this is actually acknowledge like with Ambrose reluctance to forgive Rollins or when Kane and Jeff Hardy called Triple H out for the things he did to them in the past when they teamed up with him at survivor series.
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Post by nickcave on Oct 13, 2022 13:09:42 GMT -5
Most of WCW 2000
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 13, 2022 16:39:04 GMT -5
The Brawl for All comes to mind. A shootfighting tournament to see who the "real" tough guy is. You're basically saying "everything else is fake, but this is real."
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Oct 14, 2022 5:05:48 GMT -5
In 1999 Chaz (AKA Headbanger Mosh) was allegedly accused of abuse by his girlfriend and thus was targeted by most of the locker room (including a literal Pimp) yet at the same time Jeff Jarrett was actually beating up any women that crossed his path and practically no one batted an eye.
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Post by Ozman on Oct 15, 2022 15:11:46 GMT -5
The entire storyline involving Kane, Matt Hardy, Lita, Edge, and Snitsky.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 22:42:55 GMT -5
They've saved it a little bit with the I Quit Match but... Judgment Day turning heel on Edge after only a few weeks.
This made absolutely no sense in kayfabe. Rhea and Priest's entire motivation for turning in the first place was to learn from Edge. And be associated with him because they were "underutilised"
Their solution is to... Kick his ass and go back to how it was just WEEKS before joining him?
Made absolutely no sense. I still think Edge should be in the Group.
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