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Post by theironyuppie on Sept 24, 2022 11:12:49 GMT -5
At this point I want Bayley to win at ER not because I think she’s interesting in the slightest right now but just because I think the time is right for Bianca to drop it. I have no confidence in Bayley having an interesting title reign. I may be in the minority but I hated that long reign she had on Smackdown outside of the Sasha feud at the end and I think this will just be more of the same. I think she’s run her course as a heel unless they’re going to tweak her character a bit. A babyface run I think would be the best thing for her but I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon with her just starting a heel stable. Hey, as jarring as it would be maybe they can pull an Edge/Judgement Day and have Iyo/Dakota turn on her for being a failure of a leader. I admit that would be terrible booking this soon but I’m all for any reason to end this 2019-22 version of heel Bayley. I thought being gone for over a year would make it seem fresher but I’m still just not feeling it. It's hard because I can see the logic, yet at the same time I dunno if first opportunity at Extreme Rules feels like the best stage for Bianca to end what was meant to be a major title run, even if it hasn't necessarily played out as hoped.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 24, 2022 11:14:45 GMT -5
To say HHH doesn't care about Iyo is cap when he gave her the best reign in NXT womens history outside of Asuka
Like the group itself is meh but y'all killing me with this woe is me routine when it comes to your clear faves
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Post by Rican on Sept 24, 2022 11:38:13 GMT -5
Yeah I’m waiting for it to really get going and hoping with a little more time they’ll start to excel but it hasn’t been all that great. And I say that as a HUGE Bayley fan. Just doesn’t seem like there is much chemistry or direction. And yes the theme is very bad
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 24, 2022 11:43:10 GMT -5
Yeah I’m waiting for it to really get going and hoping with a little more time they’ll start to excel but it hasn’t been all that great. And I say that as a HUGE Bayley fan. Just doesn’t seem like there is much chemistry or direction. And yes the theme is very bad They just don't have anything that connects them or a blank mission statement outside of care about us cause we're cool. Tho, Iyo and Dakota are still in a much better state than a good portion of women who came from NXT and to the main roster The one change I would make is letting Iyo be on our own and replacing her with Big Mama Cool Raquel. Raquel and Dakota have good chemistry and her being the muscle for both would be a good dynamic. Iyo works better as the "I don't need friends" manic badass so I wouldn't be surprised to see a face turn for her at some point
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Post by mistery on Sept 24, 2022 12:10:11 GMT -5
At this point I want Bayley to win at ER not because I think she’s interesting in the slightest right now but just because I think the time is right for Bianca to drop it. I have no confidence in Bayley having an interesting title reign. I may be in the minority but I hated that long reign she had on Smackdown outside of the Sasha feud at the end and I think this will just be more of the same. I think she’s run her course as a heel unless they’re going to tweak her character a bit. A babyface run I think would be the best thing for her but I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon with her just starting a heel stable. Hey, as jarring as it would be maybe they can pull an Edge/Judgement Day and have Iyo/Dakota turn on her for being a failure of a leader. I admit that would be terrible booking this soon but I’m all for any reason to end this 2019-22 version of heel Bayley. I thought being gone for over a year would make it seem fresher but I’m still just not feeling it. It's hard because I can see the logic, yet at the same time I dunno if first opportunity at Extreme Rules feels like the best stage for Bianca to end what was meant to be a major title run, even if it hasn't necessarily played out as hoped. I think the problem is that it does absolutely need to end soon. It's been a really big problem with Bianca's reigns in general. Her reigns start out with her winning at a major event, and then completely sputtering out like a couple of months later because they continue to book her to bulldoze over the rest of the division without regard for the credibility for others. I mean on her way to claiming the RAW Women's Championship, she bulldozed over the entire RAW Women's Division at the time multiple times over, where absolutely none of the women she beat looked even remotely like threats to her. And even after she got the title back, she pretty much steamrolled whatever returns there were as well. And when Summerslam rolled around, Becky was her biggest threat heading into the event and she decisively beat her. Bianca as it stands, is only rivaled by Roman Reigns when it comes to obscenely protected booking right now, especially since her booking is to the point of where she almost never looks weak ever (and her being laid out last week just leads me to believe she's gonna steamroll Iyo on Monday, and then probably Dakota and Bayley soon after), and she's over enough to the point of where she doesn't need the title anymore.
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Post by theironyuppie on Sept 24, 2022 12:17:47 GMT -5
It's hard because I can see the logic, yet at the same time I dunno if first opportunity at Extreme Rules feels like the best stage for Bianca to end what was meant to be a major title run, even if it hasn't necessarily played out as hoped. I think the problem is that it does absolutely need to end soon. It's been a really big problem with Bianca's reigns in general. Her reigns start out with her winning at a major event, and then completely sputtering out like a couple of months later because they continue to book her to bulldoze over the rest of the division without regard for the credibility for others. I mean on her way to claiming the RAW Women's Championship, she bulldozed over the entire RAW Women's Division at the time multiple times over, where absolutely none of the women she beat looked even remotely like threats to her. And even after she got the title back, she pretty much steamrolled whatever returns there were as well. And when Summerslam rolled around, Becky was her biggest threat heading into the event and she decisively beat her. Bianca as it stands, is only rivaled by Roman Reigns when it comes to obscenely protected booking right now, especially since her booking is to the point of where she almost never looks weak ever (and her being laid out last week just leads me to believe she's gonna steamroll Iyo on Monday, and then probably Dakota and Bayley soon after), and she's over enough to the point of where she doesn't need the title anymore. Yeah, and as discussed, the difference is Roman as a heel at least cheats to win. But I think some of it is just the dominant booking makes it hard to develop compelling stories because there's never really a need for Bianca to dig deep, she just wins all the time--hopefully Monday will continue the story or at least follow up from last Raw's events.
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Post by mistery on Sept 24, 2022 12:25:05 GMT -5
I think the problem is that it does absolutely need to end soon. It's been a really big problem with Bianca's reigns in general. Her reigns start out with her winning at a major event, and then completely sputtering out like a couple of months later because they continue to book her to bulldoze over the rest of the division without regard for the credibility for others. I mean on her way to claiming the RAW Women's Championship, she bulldozed over the entire RAW Women's Division at the time multiple times over, where absolutely none of the women she beat looked even remotely like threats to her. And even after she got the title back, she pretty much steamrolled whatever returns there were as well. And when Summerslam rolled around, Becky was her biggest threat heading into the event and she decisively beat her. Bianca as it stands, is only rivaled by Roman Reigns when it comes to obscenely protected booking right now, especially since her booking is to the point of where she almost never looks weak ever (and her being laid out last week just leads me to believe she's gonna steamroll Iyo on Monday, and then probably Dakota and Bayley soon after), and she's over enough to the point of where she doesn't need the title anymore. Yeah, and as discussed, the difference is Roman as a heel at least cheats to win. But I think some of it is just the dominant booking makes it hard to develop compelling stories because there's never really a need for Bianca to dig deep, she just wins all the time--hopefully Monday will continue the story or at least follow up from last Raw's events.
Yup. In the case of Iyo/Bianca, we've seen the match once already the night after Summerslam, and one of the big problems was that Bianca controlled well over 90% of the match, borderline no selling or countering all of Iyo's offense for the most part. If they really want to make Bianca look vulnerable, she needs to control significantly less of the match. Like drop that 90% to like a 50% or 40%, and tell her that she actually needs to sell all of Iyo's moves. The only outcomes I see happening is Bianca winning clean, or it ending in a no contest/DQ in favor of Bianca. And Bianca winning clean would be really bad for Iyo, as it would decisively remove her as a credible challenger for Bianca in the future. And it would mean Iyo would need a ton of rehab in order to be seen as a credible challenger again as well, especially if it ends up with Bianca controlling 90% of the match again.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 24, 2022 12:38:39 GMT -5
At this point I want Bayley to win at ER not because I think she’s interesting in the slightest right now but just because I think the time is right for Bianca to drop it. I have no confidence in Bayley having an interesting title reign. I may be in the minority but I hated that long reign she had on Smackdown outside of the Sasha feud at the end and I think this will just be more of the same. I think she’s run her course as a heel unless they’re going to tweak her character a bit. A babyface run I think would be the best thing for her but I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon with her just starting a heel stable. Hey, as jarring as it would be maybe they can pull an Edge/Judgement Day and have Iyo/Dakota turn on her for being a failure of a leader. I admit that would be terrible booking this soon but I’m all for any reason to end this 2019-22 version of heel Bayley. I thought being gone for over a year would make it seem fresher but I’m still just not feeling it. It's hard because I can see the logic, yet at the same time I dunno if first opportunity at Extreme Rules feels like the best stage for Bianca to end what was meant to be a major title run, even if it hasn't necessarily played out as hoped. If she doesn't drop it at ER I think it's very likely she takes the title into 2023. Survivor Series will likely be war games with no title match and there's no PPV in December. That leaves either the Saudi show or a random Raw and I wouldn't really be in favor of it happening on either of these. In an ideal world Bianca losing the title will be a major deal. Like Ronda/Charlotte built up so much cache to put over Becky then Becky did it for Bianca. Whoever beats Bianca after this strong run she's had the past 18 months will hopefully be someone who can use it to catapult themselves permanently into Bianca/Ronda/Horsewomen level. That's why I do think it would be a bit of a waste if Bayley beats her, especially if it's a cheap heel win. I thought Rhea was the perfect choice as the Doomsday to Bianca's Superman or Lesnar/Cena in wrestling terms but she's busy with Judgment Day and I'm not even sure if she's cleared to wrestle right now.
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 24, 2022 13:13:54 GMT -5
Bianca has the problem of being handed almost all the accolades women in WWE can have, in barely 2 years. It already feels like there’s not that much left for her to achieve.
And she is booked so super strong that her feuds lack tension.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Sept 24, 2022 13:16:30 GMT -5
Raquel joining them as muscle would work.
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Post by DSR on Sept 24, 2022 13:35:10 GMT -5
Things ain't looking any better Doing a Rollins vs Mysterio match again actually feels like a personal threat to my health and well being. Wonder if Rollins will try to take out Rey's eye again.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 24, 2022 13:47:57 GMT -5
Bayley is just really boring at the moment to be honest. She’s just the same thing from the covid days minus ding ding hello and the laughing (thank christ for that)
She’s the leader of a really “simulate universe mode for 2 years and see what the AI has cooked up” group.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 14:25:34 GMT -5
Yeah I’m waiting for it to really get going and hoping with a little more time they’ll start to excel but it hasn’t been all that great. And I say that as a HUGE Bayley fan. Just doesn’t seem like there is much chemistry or direction. And yes the theme is very bad They just don't have anything that connects them or a blank mission statement outside of care about us cause we're cool. Tho, Iyo and Dakota are still in a much better state than a good portion of women who came from NXT and to the main roster The one change I would make is letting Iyo be on our own and replacing her with Big Mama Cool Raquel. Raquel and Dakota have good chemistry and her being the muscle for both would be a good dynamic. Iyo works better as the "I don't need friends" manic badass so I wouldn't be surprised to see a face turn for her at some point now this is smart. have raquel join, turn heel on aliyah and have iyo go out there and kick ass on her own really both dakota and iyo have been introduced to the main roster audience, they don't need to be in a group
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 16:24:36 GMT -5
IMO booting anyone from the group would only tell the audience WWE has given up on these women that is not a signal that should be sent at all especially this early into the trio. What I would do...is basically have IYO and Dakota upsurp Bayley...have them take charge of the group and build it around Bayley at first being happy like nothing has changed but slowly we see how uncomfortable and weird this becomes to her as she slowly realizes she is not the leader but the third wheel...like have things like she is talking but Dakota and IYO cut her off to say what they want to say etc it would be like one giant reset button for Bayley she regresses back to the meek Bayley she once was to draw sympathy from the crowd while IYO and Dakota just increasingly treat her as nothing but a clingy annoyance. This way you keep the trio infact but the dynamic has now completely shifted and Dakota and IYO come to the forefront as the leaders as they should be. Because like I said I believe a huge issue with the group as it stands is Bayley absoloutley sucks as it's leader....IYO friggin put together queens quest originally she can be a faction leader. Now that is queen boss right there let IYO run this damn thing.
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Post by Mecca on Sept 24, 2022 16:34:49 GMT -5
This feud is basically...Bayley was ready to come back and old H really didn't wanna lose IO or Dakota Kai so it was a quick fix to get a top performer back on TV while also giving rub to 2 NXT talents he didn't want to lose.
The problem is outside of the SS pop, there's nothing there. No reason they are together, no story.
And their feud is literally against 3 women thrown together just cause.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 16:59:20 GMT -5
IMO booting anyone from the group would only tell the audience WWE has given up on these women that is not a signal that should be sent at all especially this early into the trio. What I would do...is basically have IYO and Dakota upsurp Bayley...have them take charge of the group and build it around Bayley at first being happy like nothing has changed but slowly we see how uncomfortable and weird this becomes to her as she slowly realizes she is not the leader but the third wheel...like have things like she is talking but Dakota and IYO cut her off to say what they want to say etc it would be like one giant reset button for Bayley she regresses back to the meek Bayley she once was to draw sympathy from the crowd while IYO and Dakota just increasingly treat her as nothing but a clingy annoyance. This way you keep the trio infact but the dynamic has now completely shifted and Dakota and IYO come to the forefront as the leaders as they should be. Because like I said I believe a huge issue with the group as it stands is Bayley absoloutley sucks as it's leader....IYO friggin put together queens quest originally she can be a faction leader. Now that is queen boss right there let IYO run this damn thing. Doudrop is like the Sami Zayn of that group!
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Post by mistery on Sept 24, 2022 17:21:24 GMT -5
This feud is basically...Bayley was ready to come back and old H really didn't wanna lose IO or Dakota Kai so it was a quick fix to get a top performer back on TV while also giving rub to 2 NXT talents he didn't want to lose. The problem is outside of the SS pop, there's nothing there. No reason they are together, no story. And their feud is literally against 3 women thrown together just cause. The main problem is their first feud is against Bianca, and while Bayley will probably be fine at the end of the day, Iyo and Dakota will not. Because this story is likely ending with Bianca standing tall. And Bayley has main roster clout already. Where Iyo and Dakota do not, and have been portrayed as extremely weak on the main roster. Especially Iyo, as her only singles match to date was against Bianca Belair, who dominated like 90% of their match and made Iyo look INCREDIBLY weak. And there is literally no reason to think their match on Monday won't be any different. It doesn't help that while Asuka has been motivated, Alexa is the exact opposite of motivated, and its dragging down Dakota and Iyo in the process.
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Post by schma on Sept 24, 2022 19:45:28 GMT -5
At this point I want Bayley to win at ER not because I think she’s interesting in the slightest right now but just because I think the time is right for Bianca to drop it. I have no confidence in Bayley having an interesting title reign. I may be in the minority but I hated that long reign she had on Smackdown outside of the Sasha feud at the end and I think this will just be more of the same. I think she’s run her course as a heel unless they’re going to tweak her character a bit. A babyface run I think would be the best thing for her but I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon with her just starting a heel stable. Hey, as jarring as it would be maybe they can pull an Edge/Judgement Day and have Iyo/Dakota turn on her for being a failure of a leader. I admit that would be terrible booking this soon but I’m all for any reason to end this 2019-22 version of heel Bayley. I thought being gone for over a year would make it seem fresher but I’m still just not feeling it. It's hard because I can see the logic, yet at the same time I dunno if first opportunity at Extreme Rules feels like the best stage for Bianca to end what was meant to be a major title run, even if it hasn't necessarily played out as hoped. While it is nice to have those big moments on a bigger stage, her losing at Extreme Rules might help to shake up the belief that major events only happen at the big 4 or more specifically Wrestlemania. It could serve to add some more tension to some of the long running title runs.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 25, 2022 7:56:42 GMT -5
To say HHH doesn't care about Iyo is cap when he gave her the best reign in NXT womens history outside of Asuka Like the group itself is meh but y'all killing me with this woe is me routine when it comes to your clear faves I agree that I don't think you can say Triple H doesn't care about Dakota or Iyo. I also think something is a bit off with the group now. I saw someone mention it earlier, but I do wonder if there is a situation where they thought Sasha and Naomi would be locked up sooner... or if they already are locked up that they'd begin working sooner? Just speculation but it does seem like things have been slowed down a lot since a hot start cause I don't think it's an issue where they weren't over.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 25, 2022 8:01:02 GMT -5
To say HHH doesn't care about Iyo is cap when he gave her the best reign in NXT womens history outside of Asuka Like the group itself is meh but y'all killing me with this woe is me routine when it comes to your clear faves I agree that I don't think you can say Triple H doesn't care about Dakota or Iyo. I also think something is a bit off with the group now. I saw someone mention it earlier, but I do wonder if there is a situation where they thought Sasha and Naomi would be locked up sooner... or if they already are locked up that they'd begin working sooner? Just speculation but it does seem like things have been slowed down a lot since a hot start cause I don't think it's an issue where they weren't over. My hunch is they’re waiting until they’re a bit closer to Survivor Series so they can come back in as part of the WarGames match, and then they have the feud over the belts from there.
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