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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 30, 2022 11:23:07 GMT -5
Guess I’ll be the one of the few that actually want Punk back and say yes. I don’t blame him for what happened. In fact, I actually agree with Punk and Cornette and think the Elite camp started a lot of this. I don’t know what to say if you don’t think members of the Elite haven’t played favorites with some of their backstage antics and being in positions of power. The Elite weren't the ones who insulted their coworkers in a public setting, nor did they throw chairs at anybody.
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Sept 30, 2022 11:31:42 GMT -5
Guess I’ll be the one of the few that actually want Punk back and say yes. I don’t blame him for what happened. In fact, I actually agree with Punk and Cornette and think the Elite camp started a lot of this. I don’t know what to say if you don’t think members of the Elite haven’t played favorites with some of their backstage antics and being in positions of power. The Elite weren't the ones who insulted their coworkers in a public setting, nor did they throw chairs at anybody. Don’t waste your breath on a Cornette supporter.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 30, 2022 11:51:46 GMT -5
I'll preface this by saying I was never much of a fan of his in the first place, but absolutely not.
The curiosity of seeing whether he'd mellowed out and matured is gone, and he hasn't.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Sept 30, 2022 12:00:48 GMT -5
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nooooooooooooo!
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Post by Fade on Sept 30, 2022 12:11:46 GMT -5
Can we admit the run sucked now? From his "I left wrestling in 2005" bs. To his sloppy, botch filled matches. Getting out promoed by MJF. Being upset that Hangman used a shooty comment. Like... f*** off dude. You didn't deserve the main event of Wrestlemania and now that HHH runs the WWE, you'll probably be forgotten. I never felt like MJF out promoed him. I think he did..but the program was so good (between both), I can give Phil his roses for that one. I think Eddie absolutely did. The best thing about both those programs is it showed two AEW dudes could not only hang with Phil but surpass him as well. That was the closest to Phil “getting anyone over” during his run as far as I’m concerned. I want to say I’m surprised at the amount of peeps who would want him back after the meltdown, list and history of hypocrisies/drama, and breaking down body but I’m not. Give the former devil his due, he really is/was a cult of personality.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 30, 2022 12:24:37 GMT -5
I never felt like MJF out promoed him. I think he did..but the program was so good (between both), I can give Phil his roses for that one. I think Eddie absolutely did. The best thing about both those programs is it showed two AEW dudes could not only hang with Phil but surpass him as well. That was the closest to Phil “getting anyone over” during his run as far as I’m concerned. I want to say I’m surprised at the amount of peeps who would want him back after the meltdown, list and history of hypocrisies/drama, and breaking down body but I’m not. Give the former devil his due, he really is/was a cult of personality. I'd say a good chunk of the people wanting him back probably haven't been following what happened as closely as we are (this has been an incredibly consequential month across politics, society and the arts for the world) and probably checked out after seeing Punk's meltdown and then hear the first bogus story of the Bucks "kicking the door down" before it was soon recanted. Once someone sees the actual footage and hears the developments, there's no way anybody would in good faith want him back in that locker room.
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Post by Fade on Sept 30, 2022 12:30:21 GMT -5
I think he did..but the program was so good (between both), I can give Phil his roses for that one. I think Eddie absolutely did. The best thing about both those programs is it showed two AEW dudes could not only hang with Phil but surpass him as well. That was the closest to Phil “getting anyone over” during his run as far as I’m concerned. I want to say I’m surprised at the amount of peeps who would want him back after the meltdown, list and history of hypocrisies/drama, and breaking down body but I’m not. Give the former devil his due, he really is/was a cult of personality. I'd say a good chunk of the people wanting him back probably haven't been following what happened as closely as we are (this has been an incredibly consequential month across politics, society and the arts for the world) and probably checked out after seeing Punk's meltdown and then hear the first bogus story of the Bucks "kicking the door down" before it was soon recanted. Once someone sees the actual footage and hears the developments, there's no way anybody would in good faith want him back in that locker room. Possibly. I also think there’s a good amount of ppl who don’t care about the toxic behavior and just want him back cause they’re a fan of him, which… shit, baffles me at this point but more power to ‘em.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 30, 2022 12:47:26 GMT -5
I think he did..but the program was so good (between both), I can give Phil his roses for that one. I think Eddie absolutely did. The best thing about both those programs is it showed two AEW dudes could not only hang with Phil but surpass him as well. That was the closest to Phil “getting anyone over” during his run as far as I’m concerned. I want to say I’m surprised at the amount of peeps who would want him back after the meltdown, list and history of hypocrisies/drama, and breaking down body but I’m not. Give the former devil his due, he really is/was a cult of personality. I'd say a good chunk of the people wanting him back probably haven't been following what happened as closely as we are (this has been an incredibly consequential month across politics, society and the arts for the world) and probably checked out after seeing Punk's meltdown and then hear the first bogus story of the Bucks "kicking the door down" before it was soon recanted. Once someone sees the actual footage and hears the developments, there's no way anybody would in good faith want him back in that locker room. I don’t have to work with him or run the company, I just watch the show. So I’d like to see him back because I think he’s entertaining on-screen. I know in reality that’s not going to happen but as a fan those extracurricular reasons of why he’s bad don’t really factor into the on-screen enjoyment (unless they’re godawful things that someone did like be an abuser, etc. not just a jerk like Punk is).
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Sept 30, 2022 13:12:24 GMT -5
I never felt like MJF out promoed him. I think he did..but the program was so good (between both), I can give Phil his roses for that one. I think Eddie absolutely did. The best thing about both those programs is it showed two AEW dudes could not only hang with Phil but surpass him as well. That was the closest to Phil “getting anyone over” during his run as far as I’m concerned. I want to say I’m surprised at the amount of peeps who would want him back after the meltdown, list and history of hypocrisies/drama, and breaking down body but I’m not. Give the former devil his due, he really is/was a cult of personality. Oh I don’t want him back, I just disagreed about MJF, but I also think MJF is overrated in general.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 30, 2022 13:19:38 GMT -5
If there is a realistic timeline were he somehow makes amends with Page/Omega/Bucks then sure. Bring him back as a heel and do Punk v Omega. It's probably the biggest match/feud AEW could do and would be great business.
If he's still pissed off at everyone then absolutely not. It will just fester and rot and the locker room atmosphere will be toxic when he's around.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 30, 2022 13:22:55 GMT -5
I'd say a good chunk of the people wanting him back probably haven't been following what happened as closely as we are (this has been an incredibly consequential month across politics, society and the arts for the world) and probably checked out after seeing Punk's meltdown and then hear the first bogus story of the Bucks "kicking the door down" before it was soon recanted. Once someone sees the actual footage and hears the developments, there's no way anybody would in good faith want him back in that locker room. I don’t have to work with him or run the company, I just watch the show. So I’d like to see him back because I think he’s entertaining on-screen. I know in reality that’s not going to happen but as a fan those extracurricular reasons of why he’s bad don’t really factor into the on-screen enjoyment (unless they’re godawful things that someone did like be an abuser, etc. not just a jerk like Punk is). Let me put it like this then - how he is backstage is going to have an impact on what you see on-screen. Toxic locker rooms affect matches, promos, angles and the overall television product. It's going to affect performance and, giving the fickle nature of how he's booked and who he's booked with, would threaten the logic and progression of storylines.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 30, 2022 15:04:42 GMT -5
Can we admit the run sucked now? From his "I left wrestling in 2005" bs. To his sloppy, botch filled matches. Getting out promoed by MJF. Being upset that Hangman used a shooty comment. Like... f*** off dude. You didn't deserve the main event of Wrestlemania and now that HHH runs the WWE, you'll probably be forgotten. I never felt like MJF out promoed him. I felt like it was pretty much perfectly 50/50
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 30, 2022 15:17:43 GMT -5
I don’t have to work with him or run the company, I just watch the show. So I’d like to see him back because I think he’s entertaining on-screen. I know in reality that’s not going to happen but as a fan those extracurricular reasons of why he’s bad don’t really factor into the on-screen enjoyment (unless they’re godawful things that someone did like be an abuser, etc. not just a jerk like Punk is). Let me put it like this then - how he is backstage is going to have an impact on what you see on-screen. Toxic locker rooms affect matches, promos, angles and the overall television product. It's going to affect performance and, giving the fickle nature of how he's booked and who he's booked with, would threaten the logic and progression of storylines. That’s certainly possible but it’s not guaranteed. 1997 WWF was one of its best creative/entertaining years and was apparently a mess backstage.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 30, 2022 15:23:39 GMT -5
Let me put it like this then - how he is backstage is going to have an impact on what you see on-screen. Toxic locker rooms affect matches, promos, angles and the overall television product. It's going to affect performance and, giving the fickle nature of how he's booked and who he's booked with, would threaten the logic and progression of storylines. That’s certainly possible but it’s not guaranteed. 1997 WWF was one of its best creative/entertaining years and was apparently a mess backstage. Thing is, screwjob aside, Bret and Shawn were able to work together, with the only real shooty moments being the Sunny Days comment and Bret bringing up HBK getting his ass kicked by soldiers. Yes, 97 Bret and Shawn was more professional than Punk is capable of being.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 30, 2022 15:31:30 GMT -5
That’s certainly possible but it’s not guaranteed. 1997 WWF was one of its best creative/entertaining years and was apparently a mess backstage. Thing is, screwjob aside, Bret and Shawn were able to work together, with the only real shooty moments being the Sunny Days comment and Bret bringing up HBK getting his ass kicked by soldiers. Yes, 97 Bret and Shawn was more professional than Punk is capable of being. They also brawled backstage legit, Shawn dropped the belt when he “lost his smile” so he didn’t have to drop it to Bret, Bret deliberately ran long on a promo so that a superkick Shawn was to give him occurred after the show went off the air, Shawn stuffed his pants for an in-ring interview and then called out Undertaker unscripted when he wasn’t even in the building, Shawn after Mania 14 was pretty unprofessional at their post-show media scrum, and the whole Bret-Shawn feud led to both Bret and Shawn refusing to work with the other at different times, and then the whole screwjob mess. And that’s just off the top of my head, there might be more.
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Post by chronocross on Sept 30, 2022 15:33:25 GMT -5
No thanks, I was glad for a while but injuries have slowed him down and I can't see him putting grudges aside to work with Page/Bucks/Omega, etc.
With Punk, it's usually scorched earth unfortunately.
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Post by jm on Sept 30, 2022 15:56:08 GMT -5
Guess I’ll be the one of the few that actually want Punk back and say yes. I don’t blame him for what happened. In fact, I actually agree with Punk and Cornette and think the Elite camp started a lot of this. I don’t know what to say if you don’t think members of the Elite haven’t played favorites with some of their backstage antics and being in positions of power. I wasn’t really watching AEW on a regular basis anyway, but Punk being gone gives me even less of a reason to watch. Agreeing with a racist sexist bigot like Cornette is certainly a choice. But hey, more power to you. I guess.
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Post by schizo on Sept 30, 2022 16:05:10 GMT -5
Guess I’ll be the one of the few that actually want Punk back and say yes. I don’t blame him for what happened. In fact, I actually agree with Punk and Cornette and think the Elite camp started a lot of this. I don’t know what to say if you don’t think members of the Elite haven’t played favorites with some of their backstage antics and being in positions of power. I wasn’t really watching AEW on a regular basis anyway, but Punk being gone gives me even less of a reason to watch. So I guess you “didn’t watch” the media scrum. Punk came off as a reall asshole there
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 30, 2022 16:05:26 GMT -5
Not going to lie, part of me wants Punk to come back so he can job to Hangman then f*** off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2022 16:11:07 GMT -5
It's ok to still like Punk and even want him back, but it just blows my mind that some people still think he isn't the asshole in this situation.
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