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Post by tirtefaa on Oct 2, 2022 13:58:28 GMT -5
So they're saying they're
Free To Return
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 2, 2022 14:17:08 GMT -5
Really I think my biggest complaint with FTR is if you're going to continually put Dax in long singles matches he should actually win one every once in awhile. As it is I basically just see his stuff as a cue to stop paying attention because there's zero suspense in it, he's going to lose every single time.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 2, 2022 14:41:58 GMT -5
Let me preface this with what I think is a fair observation: AEW's roster is so large at this point that it's led to some wrestlers being off TV for too long. Not everybody can have a hot feud at the same time, unfortunately, given only having three hours of TV a week and the need to push the biggest stars ahead of 2023 TV rights negotiations, but that doesn't mean there isn't more that could be done in many cases.
But I'll also add this: it kind of makes me laugh to see people in various corners of online wrestling talk speak about how great it would be if talent got "cycled" or time off so "absence makes the heart grow fonder", then see them freak when [whomever] doesn't have the spotlight on TV for a bit. It's darkly hilarious to see the online talk suddenly shift to "Tony Khan is just a rich mark whose dad bought him a promotion, he doesn't know how to book!" after literally multiple years demonstrating the contrary.
I dunno man, I think I'm just too wired around NJPW tour scheduling to worry about this shit. Best of the Super Juniors comes along and that means a month-plus stretch where Okada and Jay White basically don't even appear.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 2, 2022 15:52:58 GMT -5
Honestly, if I wasn't 95% sure it's going to be Acclaimed/FTR at Full Gear, I could maybe see the side that says FTR aren't being featured enough.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 2, 2022 16:49:00 GMT -5
Let me preface this with what I think is a fair observation: AEW's roster is so large at this point that it's led to some wrestlers being off TV for too long. Not everybody can have a hot feud at the same time, unfortunately, given only having three hours of TV a week and the need to push the biggest stars ahead of 2023 TV rights negotiations, but that doesn't mean there isn't more that could be done in many cases. But I'll also add this: it kind of makes me laugh to see people in various corners of online wrestling talk speak about how great it would be if talent got "cycled" or time off so "absence makes the heart grow fonder", then see them freak when [whomever] doesn't have the spotlight on TV for a bit. It's darkly hilarious to see the online talk suddenly shift to "Tony Khan is just a rich mark whose dad bought him a promotion, he doesn't know how to book!" after literally multiple years demonstrating the contrary.I dunno man, I think I'm just too wired around NJPW tour scheduling to worry about this shit. Best of the Super Juniors comes along and that means a month-plus stretch where Okada and Jay White basically don't even appear. It’s also possible he’s regressed. I think one of (and remains to be) one of AEW’s biggest strengths is that they do cycle between talent and it’s almost unnoticeable. However, I think they’ve failed to capitalize on some of the talent while reaching a fever-pitch with crowds.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 2, 2022 17:03:39 GMT -5
They need to get in line behind Orange Cassidy and Miro, among others.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 2, 2022 17:07:02 GMT -5
Let me preface this with what I think is a fair observation: AEW's roster is so large at this point that it's led to some wrestlers being off TV for too long. Not everybody can have a hot feud at the same time, unfortunately, given only having three hours of TV a week and the need to push the biggest stars ahead of 2023 TV rights negotiations, but that doesn't mean there isn't more that could be done in many cases. But I'll also add this: it kind of makes me laugh to see people in various corners of online wrestling talk speak about how great it would be if talent got "cycled" or time off so "absence makes the heart grow fonder", then see them freak when [whomever] doesn't have the spotlight on TV for a bit. It's darkly hilarious to see the online talk suddenly shift to "Tony Khan is just a rich mark whose dad bought him a promotion, he doesn't know how to book!" after literally multiple years demonstrating the contrary.I dunno man, I think I'm just too wired around NJPW tour scheduling to worry about this shit. Best of the Super Juniors comes along and that means a month-plus stretch where Okada and Jay White basically don't even appear. It’s also possible he’s regressed. I think one of (and remains to be) one of AEW’s biggest strengths is that they do cycle between talent and it’s almost unnoticeable. However, I think they’ve failed to capitalize on some of the talent while reaching a fever-pitch with crowds. Oh, I certainly agree there's stuff to point out that's not as tight as it could be or downright needs improvement; once the roster got so huge things definitely got more unwieldy, and it sucks when someone as talented as, say, Nyla Rose is going this long without anything substantive to do, or the way that Hobbs/Starks, which was great in a lot of ways, still felt too stretched out in others. Throw in the kind of insane spate of injuries and now the chaos surrounding their main event scene since Punk's tantrum and it's hard not to notice where some stuff feels less focused. Yet in the meantime some complaints are "this person, who's been on TV a good amount, hasn't had (insert a specific kind of match here) in x weeks" with no context beyond that, coupled with "Tony can't book!" even as we get a slate of shows that people are pretty widely praising over the last little while and seemingly drawing stronger ratings, and at a certain point it gets tougher to take some of the complaints seriously...again, I think there ARE serious complaints to be had, but I'm not referring to those. I think I'm mostly just noticing that there's a number of people out there basically talking like they know what's motivating choices that are being made when, frankly, most of us don't really know much of anything. Like, the whole "Tony had stars in his eyes for CM Punk", or "The Acclaimed are Tony's new toy and he's forgotten about FTR", when I think people just miss that Khan, like almost every other promoter/booker, is mostly concerned with money. He wanted to build a lot of the show around Punk because, well...Punk drew ticket and merch sales and was an easy name to use to promote the show to the networks he's hoping to cash in with very soon, while The Acclaimed are getting the titles most likely earlier than expected because they're over as hell right now and bringing in a lot of revenue. A lot of people many of us might like to see featured more likely aren't getting as featured because the feeling is they won't draw as well, and they're seemingly very focused on keeping numbers strong heading into negotiations next year. There's definitely a chicken or the egg issue at hand with some of those names (how will they get to draw if they don't get featured more?), but I think for a lot of people it's more about constructing a narrative to explain to themselves "why won't Khan book the way I would book?!" instead of just accepting that for as smart as many online fans are, we're ultimately not that in the loop. Long story short, I'm musing less about FTR themselves or about the legitimate gripes I think can definitely be had about some aspects of the product, and more about the way some people want to spin stories to explain why stuff they don't prefer happening might happen on the show they're watching.
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Post by r. on Oct 2, 2022 18:42:39 GMT -5
More people leaving. Whaaaaa
Everything is fine (tm)
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Post by Georgina's Fancy Water on Oct 2, 2022 20:11:27 GMT -5
Fondle The Ronald
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 2, 2022 20:35:38 GMT -5
More people leaving. Whaaaaa Everything is fine (tm) They aren't leaving and also dude this isn't healthy for you at this point, you should probably step away just for your own sake.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 2, 2022 21:35:52 GMT -5
Let me preface this with what I think is a fair observation: AEW's roster is so large at this point that it's led to some wrestlers being off TV for too long. Not everybody can have a hot feud at the same time, unfortunately, given only having three hours of TV a week and the need to push the biggest stars ahead of 2023 TV rights negotiations, but that doesn't mean there isn't more that could be done in many cases. But I'll also add this: it kind of makes me laugh to see people in various corners of online wrestling talk speak about how great it would be if talent got "cycled" or time off so "absence makes the heart grow fonder", then see them freak when [whomever] doesn't have the spotlight on TV for a bit. It's darkly hilarious to see the online talk suddenly shift to "Tony Khan is just a rich mark whose dad bought him a promotion, he doesn't know how to book!" after literally multiple years demonstrating the contrary.I dunno man, I think I'm just too wired around NJPW tour scheduling to worry about this shit. Best of the Super Juniors comes along and that means a month-plus stretch where Okada and Jay White basically don't even appear. It’s also possible he’s regressed. I think one of (and remains to be) one of AEW’s biggest strengths is that they do cycle between talent and it’s almost unnoticeable. However, I think they’ve failed to capitalize on some of the talent while reaching a fever-pitch with crowds. I'm looking in Wardlow's direction.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 2, 2022 21:55:45 GMT -5
It’s also possible he’s regressed. I think one of (and remains to be) one of AEW’s biggest strengths is that they do cycle between talent and it’s almost unnoticeable. However, I think they’ve failed to capitalize on some of the talent while reaching a fever-pitch with crowds. I'm looking in Wardlow's direction. Wardlow. Jungle Boy/Christian/Luchasaurus. Even Hobbs and Starks have cooled off. Darby, Eddie, Miro, even OC is arguable. I can’t disagree with what Hmark said about Tony wanting to push those he sees as draws with renegotiations on the horizon. But it’s vital to push and make others just as interesting. And he is focusing on younger guys like Hook, Garcia, Yuta. He’s nurture them as young stars really well. It’s the upper mid card that’s lacking. AEW used to have really solid levels throughout the card. And I think that’s where there’s stagnation. Dunno if it’s Tony or them. But with injuries, people leaving, etc, that mid to uppercard really needs to be established, solidified, and pushed to the cusp of main event hood.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Oct 3, 2022 7:42:11 GMT -5
Yeah, honestly, it's been kind of comical that they've been sidelined so hard. Yes, The Acclaimed got over. Yes, right now in this current moment, give Acclaimed the belts. But that said, people have been wanting FTR to be champs for months and months now.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 3, 2022 7:47:11 GMT -5
Yeah, honestly, it's been kind of comical that they've been sidelined so hard. Yes, The Acclaimed got over. Yes, right now in this current moment, give Acclaimed the belts. But that said, people have been wanting FTR to be champs for months and months now. Yeah FTR seemed to be primed for a title run and main event matches with the Bucks months before the Acclaimed were even thought to be tag champ materials.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 3, 2022 7:52:01 GMT -5
I feel like they are the victims of Tony's "I wanna buy all the toys I can" mentality and him forgetting that these are real people, not just action figures that you can buy and shove on a shelf for years just to look at them occasionally.
He's often a lot like Vince.
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 3, 2022 9:14:01 GMT -5
Are they not following script?
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Post by markymark on Oct 3, 2022 9:31:23 GMT -5
I'm looking in Wardlow's direction. Wardlow. Jungle Boy/Christian/Luchasaurus. Even Hobbs and Starks have cooled off. Darby, Eddie, Miro, even OC is arguable. I can’t disagree with what Hmark said about Tony wanting to push those he sees as draws with renegotiations on the horizon. But it’s vital to push and make others just as interesting. And he is focusing on younger guys like Hook, Garcia, Yuta. He’s nurture them as young stars really well. It’s the upper mid card that’s lacking. AEW used to have really solid levels throughout the card. And I think that’s where there’s stagnation. Dunno if it’s Tony or them. But with injuries, people leaving, etc, that mid to uppercard really needs to be established, solidified, and pushed to the cusp of main event hood.
Injuries played into factors, in Wardlows case its clear they were going to have him vs ATT in quite a long feud also involving FTR with the end game being Wardlow becoming the TNT champ but they rushed Wardlow title win because Scorpio needed knee surgery.
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Post by markymark on Oct 3, 2022 9:33:03 GMT -5
I feel like they are the victims of Tony's "I wanna buy all the toys I can" mentality and him forgetting that these are real people, not just action figures that you can buy and shove on a shelf for years just to look at them occasionally. He's often a lot like Vince.
More like Dax got hurt(same injury as Cole) and then he puts over the Racket Man despite him being a complete POS toward the Elite and other AEW talent and also leaking info to Brian Last.
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Post by tntchamp on Oct 3, 2022 9:55:42 GMT -5
I feel like they are the victims of Tony's "I wanna buy all the toys I can" mentality and him forgetting that these are real people, not just action figures that you can buy and shove on a shelf for years just to look at them occasionally. He's often a lot like Vince.
More like Dax got hurt(same injury as Cole) and then he puts over the Racket Man despite him being a complete POS toward the Elite and other AEW talent and also leaking info to Brian Last.
I mean I would not be shocked if that is the case but was it ever actually confirmed that Dax leaked info to Last?
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 3, 2022 10:32:43 GMT -5
Considering how many amazing teams in AEW's early days never got a chance because Tony was too focused on FTR being the new cool toys... Like, I might be alone in thinking Uno/Stu could have been amazing tag champs, but like... Proud And Powerful never got the belts and now probably never will given how things have gone with them, and they were AEW's hottest team at one point.
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