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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 4, 2022 13:11:36 GMT -5
I don't think Ringmaster is concern trolling, because Ringmaster is coming at this as a genuine AEW fan who is taking all of the negative news into doompost overdrive, but I don't think 'letting it out online' is healthy either because they're only even in these hypermisery takes because they keep exposing themself to these topics. Sometimes stepping away is a good thing for your own sake.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 4, 2022 13:15:30 GMT -5
Yeah it's definitely not concern trolling. It's doom posting and he doesn't just do it with AEW.
And as far as I'm aware, none of us are trained therapists (or if we are, not being paid for it). That's the appropriate person to talk about such nihilism with.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 4, 2022 14:16:30 GMT -5
I'm not normally a "this is a work" person but the Gunns have now made two mentions of FTR not being on TV, which is an odd thing to do if they're genuinely unhappy.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 4, 2022 14:35:47 GMT -5
I'm not normally a "this is a work" person but the Gunns have now made two mentions of FTR not being on TV, which is an odd thing to do if they're genuinely unhappy. I'm at the point where this worked shoot nonsense is starting to piss me off rather than getting invested
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 4, 2022 14:41:43 GMT -5
I'm not normally a "this is a work" person but the Gunns have now made two mentions of FTR not being on TV, which is an odd thing to do if they're genuinely unhappy. The big distinction I think is that this isn't a dirtsheet report, which is where the usual 'this is a work' talk ends up coming from that's so draining, but actually just them saying stuff on TV. If we had Alvarez being like 'yeah FTR wantr out of their contracts, they hate it here, Tony won't even answer their calls" then yeah calling it a work would probably be pretty irritating, but this is all playing out on-screen.
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 4, 2022 14:55:32 GMT -5
I'm not normally a "this is a work" person but the Gunns have now made two mentions of FTR not being on TV, which is an odd thing to do if they're genuinely unhappy. I'm at the point where this worked shoot nonsense is starting to piss me off rather than getting invested 100% I'm very close to the point of not caring if FTR show up on TV at all, despite how good they are.
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Post by r. on Oct 4, 2022 15:04:47 GMT -5
Already did, After the Punk Press conference issue. You...do know that means not posting, right? Ok. I can do that.
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Post by Blade on Oct 4, 2022 18:01:16 GMT -5
I'm not normally a "this is a work" person but the Gunns have now made two mentions of FTR not being on TV, which is an odd thing to do if they're genuinely unhappy. I'm at the point where this worked shoot nonsense is starting to piss me off rather than getting invested For the people who complain vociferously about that, I will note you could just stop paying attention to twitter and dirtsheet drama and the majority of these work/shoot conundrums just.... vanish. Suddenly they're just using FTR not being on tv or getting their title shot for awhile as feud fodder. Suddenly Brian Cage just vanished for awhile after losing his feud and then popped up on ROH. You'll be shocked and intruiged if 10 pulls off the upset and runs Andrade out of AEW. In fact, basically the only mix of kayfabe and real life blending you'd unavoidably know about is MJF, and even he's made it work in the context of his onscreen character. Promoters and wrestlers are both going to keep using a tool that has a proven track record of creating buzz, engagement and passionate feelings in the fanbase. Expecting or wishing them not to is quixotic. But nothing's forcing you to know about it. You can just go "Ugh, real life drama, don't care about it in my wrestling, next" and not read about it. Or you can not. I'm not gonna tell you what to do. But I have no idea why the people that hate this so very much also feel the need to be informed about it so they can hate it even more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 18:44:42 GMT -5
I'm at the point where this worked shoot nonsense is starting to piss me off rather than getting invested For the people who complain vociferously about that, I will note you could just stop paying attention to twitter and dirtsheet drama and the majority of these work/shoot conundrums just.... vanish. Suddenly they're just using FTR not being on tv or getting their title shot for awhile as feud fodder. Suddenly Brian Cage just vanished for awhile after losing his feud and then popped up on ROH. You'll be shocked and intruiged if 10 pulls off the upset and runs Andrade out of AEW. In fact, basically the only mix of kayfabe and real life blending you'd unavoidably know about is MJF, and even he's made it work in the context of his onscreen character. Promoters and wrestlers are both going to keep using a tool that has a proven track record of creating buzz, engagement and passionate feelings in the fanbase. Expecting or wishing them not to is quixotic. But nothing's forcing you to know about it. You can just go "Ugh, real life drama, don't care about it in my wrestling, next" and not read about it. Or you can not. I'm not gonna tell you what to do. But I have no idea why the people that hate this so very much also feel the need to be informed about it so they can hate it even more. That is nearly infeasible with the audience that AEW caters too, as well as the fact that they bring these things to TV a lot of the time. You have to remember this is the same company where others berate people for not spending time YouTubing someone so this type of knowledge is expected. It feels like your message is more love it or leave it than look away. Believe me anyone that actually calls themself an AEW fan doesn't want this stuff to take place.
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Post by Blade on Oct 4, 2022 19:07:50 GMT -5
That is nearly infeasible with the audience that AEW caters too, as well as the fact that they bring these things to TV a lot of the time. You have to remember this is the same company where others berate people for not spending time YouTubing someone so this type of knowledge is expected. It feels like your message is more love it or leave it than look away. Believe me anyone that actually calls themself an AEW fan doesn't want this stuff to take place. It is not impossible to go "this shit does not bring me joy so I'm going to ignore it". It is not in fact even overly difficult (barring of course possible mental unwellness). You can even still be on twitter. "Love it or leave it" could not be further from the truth. Engage in AEW any way you want (that's legal and moral), it's no skin off my nose. But if something actively makes you miserable and unhappy - and many, many months of evidence suggests anything blending work/shoot does that for many people here - it should probably prompt a reassessment of whether paying attention to twitter drama, dirtsheet news and thread topics that are clearly about the thing that you hate and makes you unhappy are worth your time. Maybe you think they are! And if so, more power to you, I guess? I find threads full of people bemoaning how much they hate this and it's never any good before anything even happens to be tedious and drown out any actual attempt at legit discussion, but there's no rule against it and I can (and have) followed my own advice and just ignored the threads at times. But I still think it's worth considering. Because companies see engagement as engagement, numbers wonks like Tony Khan probably even more so, and therefore publically hating and grousing about this sort of thing is likely helping it get used even more.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 4, 2022 19:13:47 GMT -5
I'm tired of the worked shoot nonsense, but thankfully it isn't prevalent on AEW programming itself. So it's not like WCW 2000 2.0 or anything.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 4, 2022 19:18:40 GMT -5
Not going through 6 pages but both Dax and Cash are notorious for using twitter to troll fans. Wouldn't shock me if this was them just taking it to a new level. Not saying they were told to do it or that it's a start of an angle, but they've literally done stuff like this going back to their WWE days
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Post by markymark on Nov 20, 2022 13:04:19 GMT -5
Stuff like this dont help FTR...
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 20, 2022 13:09:54 GMT -5
Stuff like this dont help FTR...
This is really shitty. The guy was just trying to compliment Jamie, who deserves it.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 20, 2022 13:11:34 GMT -5
Again most things Dax and Cash put on social media should be treated as trolling
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Post by Doo Doo is Worse Than WCW 2000 on Nov 20, 2022 13:13:52 GMT -5
The Revival rule, but Dax sounds like his buddy with some of these tweets
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 20, 2022 13:31:16 GMT -5
The Revival rule, but Dax sounds like his buddy with some of these tweets I'd be lying if I said Dax wasn't starting to piss away some of the goodwill he'd built up with me earlier this year (not that he cares).
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Post by Breadville on Nov 20, 2022 13:32:55 GMT -5
Hear me out here... what if all of these eventually lead to a 'nWo-ish' group with FTR & CM Punk trying to take down AEW and The Elite? I am sick of the worked shoot stuff as well, but this would be f***ing amazing.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 20, 2022 14:02:06 GMT -5
Honestly, the "oh they're just trolling" thing is reaching Kanye levels where it's like "or maybe they're just kind of assholes".
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 20, 2022 14:03:03 GMT -5
I also find tweets like this annoying. I don't see it as any different than folks just saying the media always lies and everything is fake news. If there's something reported you'd like to dispute, just do so.
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