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Post by fortknox on Oct 2, 2022 11:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 2, 2022 12:04:14 GMT -5
Just a reminder that Bob Remus never served a day in the military.
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Post by fortknox on Feb 22, 2023 11:47:28 GMT -5
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 22, 2023 12:20:48 GMT -5
Just a reminder that Bob Remus never served a day in the military. Does anyone know if he still takes indie bookings? I know he doesn’t wrestle anymore (nor probably should he) but a stolen valor storyline could be interesting for a smaller promotion. Basically you could have sarge manage a young wrestler who comes out with a military gimmick. They taunt the audience and do things like call them wussies who would never stand up and fight for their beliefs like they did. Then a face indie wrestler who has military experience in real life comes out and exposes them. The two young wrestlers go onto feud and if WWE/Hasro are cool with it (or more likely it just flies under the radar) you could probably even sneak in some Iraqi sympathizer/GI references. I could see it getting backlash on a big stage, but for the right indie it seems like it would be a fun program. As for the actual Bob Remus, has he ever actually claimed to have served when he is out of character? If not it kind of bugs me that him never actually being a military man became a story a few years ago. It would be like getting mad at the Honky Tonk Man for not actually being Elvis. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 22, 2023 17:55:52 GMT -5
Just a reminder that Bob Remus never served a day in the military. Does anyone know if he still takes indie bookings? I know he doesn’t wrestle anymore (nor probably should he) but a stolen valor storyline could be interesting for a smaller promotion. Basically you could have sarge manage a young wrestler who comes out with a military gimmick. They taunt the audience and do things like call them wussies who would never stand up and fight for their beliefs like they did. Then a face indie wrestler who has military experience in real life comes out and exposes them. The two young wrestlers go onto feud and if WWE/Hasro are cool with it (or more likely it just flies under the radar) you could probably even sneak in some Iraqi sympathizer/GI references. I could see it getting backlash on a big stage, but for the right indie it seems like it would be a fun program. As for the actual Bob Remus, has he ever actually claimed to have served when he is out of character? If not it kind of bugs me that him never actually being a military man became a story a few years ago. It would be like getting mad at the Honky Tonk Man for not actually being Elvis. Yes he has claimed to have served in Vietnam. www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/02/27/the-man-behind-pro-wrestling-legend-sgt-slaughter-tells-stories-of-combat-tours-in-vietnam-but-he-never-served/He tries to claim he is doing so "in character". |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 22, 2023 18:02:31 GMT -5
Does anyone know if he still takes indie bookings? I know he doesn’t wrestle anymore (nor probably should he) but a stolen valor storyline could be interesting for a smaller promotion. Basically you could have sarge manage a young wrestler who comes out with a military gimmick. They taunt the audience and do things like call them wussies who would never stand up and fight for their beliefs like they did. Then a face indie wrestler who has military experience in real life comes out and exposes them. The two young wrestlers go onto feud and if WWE/Hasro are cool with it (or more likely it just flies under the radar) you could probably even sneak in some Iraqi sympathizer/GI references. I could see it getting backlash on a big stage, but for the right indie it seems like it would be a fun program. As for the actual Bob Remus, has he ever actually claimed to have served when he is out of character? If not it kind of bugs me that him never actually being a military man became a story a few years ago. It would be like getting mad at the Honky Tonk Man for not actually being Elvis. Yes he has claimed to have served in Vietnam. www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/02/27/the-man-behind-pro-wrestling-legend-sgt-slaughter-tells-stories-of-combat-tours-in-vietnam-but-he-never-served/He tries to claim he is doing so "in character". That’s unfortunate. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 22, 2023 18:05:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know if he still takes indie bookings? I know he doesn’t wrestle anymore (nor probably should he) but a stolen valor storyline could be interesting for a smaller promotion. Basically you could have sarge manage a young wrestler who comes out with a military gimmick. They taunt the audience and do things like call them wussies who would never stand up and fight for their beliefs like they did. Then a face indie wrestler who has military experience in real life comes out and exposes them. The two young wrestlers go onto feud and if WWE/Hasro are cool with it (or more likely it just flies under the radar) you could probably even sneak in some Iraqi sympathizer/GI references. I could see it getting backlash on a big stage, but for the right indie it seems like it would be a fun program. As for the actual Bob Remus, has he ever actually claimed to have served when he is out of character? If not it kind of bugs me that him never actually being a military man became a story a few years ago. It would be like getting mad at the Honky Tonk Man for not actually being Elvis. Yes he has claimed to have served in Vietnam. www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/02/27/the-man-behind-pro-wrestling-legend-sgt-slaughter-tells-stories-of-combat-tours-in-vietnam-but-he-never-served/He tries to claim he is doing so "in character". I really hope other wrestlers are a bit wiser than trying stuff like this these days. One Man Gang trying to be the guest speaker for a Black History Month event is not going to do anybody any favors. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 22, 2023 20:19:42 GMT -5
Stolen valor's a tricky subject. I think that what Remus has done as Slaughter is kind of a grey area, but definitely something he could and should have been more prudent about, but not as bad as Brian Dennehy's. Dennehy had at least actually been in the service, but he claimed to have been wounded in battle, which is worse than I think Slaughter's done.
This all reminds me of an AEW Dark episode where Shawn Dean, who had been in the Navy, was wrestling, and Ricky Starks jokingly begins questioning if he'd actually served or if it was a lie before Taz immediately cut him off to essentially say, "haha, heyyyy, don't joke about that." Stolen valor's a big deal.
(I do not remember what rank Dean actually got, though I think he's very upfront that "Captain" in his name is a nickname people gave him for being a naval officer, I don't think he's claimed it to be his actual naval rank, but again, I do not remember his actual rank.)
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 23, 2023 5:40:25 GMT -5
Stolen valor's a tricky subject. I think that what Remus has done as Slaughter is kind of a grey area, but definitely something he could and should have been more prudent about, but not as bad as Brian Dennehy's. Dennehy had at least actually been in the service, but he claimed to have been wounded in battle, which is worse than I think Slaughter's done. This all reminds me of an AEW Dark episode where Shawn Dean, who had been in the Navy, was wrestling, and Ricky Starks jokingly begins questioning if he'd actually served or if it was a lie before Taz immediately cut him off to essentially say, "haha, heyyyy, don't joke about that." Stolen valor's a big deal. (I do not remember what rank Dean actually got, though I think he's very upfront that "Captain" in his name is a nickname people gave him for being a naval officer, I don't think he's claimed it to be his actual naval rank, but again, I do not remember his actual rank.) IMO its only a grey area if it is completely in character. If Chris Evans gives an interview as Cap where he talks about his WW2 experiences fine. But if he talks about pranks on Not Another Teen Movie in the same interview then it is no longer in character. And I would disagree on Dennehy. He actually served. If he exaggerated his valor thats not good but at least he had some to start with. Sarge even smears the military in that interview. Norton asks him about blanket parties ala Full Metal Jacket. A film that portrays the military as brutal and dehumanizing. Sarge goes along with it when the classy thing would have been to say he never saw anything like that and he doesnt think it actually happens, etc. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 23, 2023 5:42:31 GMT -5
Stolen valor's a tricky subject. I think that what Remus has done as Slaughter is kind of a grey area, but definitely something he could and should have been more prudent about, but not as bad as Brian Dennehy's. Dennehy had at least actually been in the service, but he claimed to have been wounded in battle, which is worse than I think Slaughter's done. This all reminds me of an AEW Dark episode where Shawn Dean, who had been in the Navy, was wrestling, and Ricky Starks jokingly begins questioning if he'd actually served or if it was a lie before Taz immediately cut him off to essentially say, "haha, heyyyy, don't joke about that." Stolen valor's a big deal. (I do not remember what rank Dean actually got, though I think he's very upfront that "Captain" in his name is a nickname people gave him for being a naval officer, I don't think he's claimed it to be his actual naval rank, but again, I do not remember his actual rank.) IMO its only a grey area if it is completely in character. If Chris Evans gives an interview as Cap where he talks about his WW2 experiences fine. But if he talks about pranks on Not Another Teen Movie in the same interview then it is no longer in character. And I would disagree on Dennehy. He actually served. If he exaggerated his valor thats not good but at least he had some to start with. Sarge even smears the military in that interview. Norton asks him about blanket parties ala Full Metal Jacket. A film that portrays the military as brutal and dehumanizing. Sarge goes along with it when the classy thing would have been to say he never saw anything like that and he doesnt think it actually happens, etc. Dennehy did serve, yeah, but he didn't see battle to my understanding, much less getting hurt in battle, so that feels pretty gross, but I get what you're saying. It's definitely trashy on his part. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 23, 2023 6:34:20 GMT -5
IMO its only a grey area if it is completely in character. If Chris Evans gives an interview as Cap where he talks about his WW2 experiences fine. But if he talks about pranks on Not Another Teen Movie in the same interview then it is no longer in character. And I would disagree on Dennehy. He actually served. If he exaggerated his valor thats not good but at least he had some to start with. Sarge even smears the military in that interview. Norton asks him about blanket parties ala Full Metal Jacket. A film that portrays the military as brutal and dehumanizing. Sarge goes along with it when the classy thing would have been to say he never saw anything like that and he doesnt think it actually happens, etc. Dennehy did serve, yeah, but he didn't see battle to my understanding, much less getting hurt in battle, so that feels pretty gross, but I get what you're saying. It's definitely trashy on his part. Agreed. But back to Sarge like most things I blame WWE. Sarge came up in kayfabe times. He probably shouldnt have picked a military gimmick if he hadnt served but he did and had to stick to kayfabe. But once WWE blew that up they should have told him to knock it off. He could still be trotted out at military events and used as a mascot of sorts as long as they were explicit about him being a symbol, not an actual military man. But with his lies and their hand washing of things it becomes stolen valor. And they just fall back on "its all just entertainment". |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 23, 2023 6:43:30 GMT -5
Dennehy did serve, yeah, but he didn't see battle to my understanding, much less getting hurt in battle, so that feels pretty gross, but I get what you're saying. It's definitely trashy on his part. Agreed. But back to Sarge like most things I blame WWE. Sarge came up in kayfabe times. He probably shouldnt have picked a military gimmick if he hadnt served but he did and had to stick to kayfabe. But once WWE blew that up they should have told him to knock it off. He could still be trotted out at military events and used as a mascot of sorts as long as they were explicit about him being a symbol, not an actual military man. But with his lies and their hand washing of things it becomes stolen valor. And they just fall back on "its all just entertainment". I do wonder about that, how much of it was WWF's encouragement, and what role if any Hasbro played in it. Much of what he did as Slaughter obviously tied into GI Joe stuff, to the extent he walked out of being probably the number 2 face in WWF in order to not give WWF his GI Joe money, walking to AWA. Like, maybe Hasbro, too, told him to just go with it. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 23, 2023 9:14:39 GMT -5
THIS I COMMAND!!!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 23, 2023 16:49:01 GMT -5
Yikes, that interview where he's claiming to have been in Vietnam and shit is gross.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 23, 2023 17:02:49 GMT -5
Agreed. But back to Sarge like most things I blame WWE. Sarge came up in kayfabe times. He probably shouldnt have picked a military gimmick if he hadnt served but he did and had to stick to kayfabe. But once WWE blew that up they should have told him to knock it off. He could still be trotted out at military events and used as a mascot of sorts as long as they were explicit about him being a symbol, not an actual military man. But with his lies and their hand washing of things it becomes stolen valor. And they just fall back on "its all just entertainment". I do wonder about that, how much of it was WWF's encouragement, and what role if any Hasbro played in it. Much of what he did as Slaughter obviously tied into GI Joe stuff, to the extent he walked out of being probably the number 2 face in WWF in order to not give WWF his GI Joe money, walking to AWA. Like, maybe Hasbro, too, told him to just go with it. I wonder what Larry Hama (who's responsible for creating the GI Joe characters, and wrote the comic, which included Slaughter as a character) and Buzz Dixon (who wrote Slaughter's first cartoon appearance in Arise Serpentor Arise) think about this situation, especially since both of them were actual Vietnam vets. |
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Post by johnnyk9 on Feb 23, 2023 18:40:05 GMT -5
I love hearing Slaughter interviews
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