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Post by wildojinx on Oct 13, 2022 15:58:38 GMT -5
I was just thinking, Owen Hart and Shawn Michaels had a lot of chemistry in the ring whenever they wrestled, so why didnt we ever get an extended Shawn vs Owen feud? We kind of got one after Rumble 96, but that was only a one month feud (though it did get a PPV blow-off match at least), and the other brief one in 1997 was only for a few weeks before moving on to Shawn/Taker and later Shawn/Austin (understandably). Maybe they could have done Owen vs Shawn after WM12 instead of the Bulldog feud (it still would be Shawn vs a member of Camp Cornette).
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Post by tafkaga on Oct 13, 2022 16:41:58 GMT -5
Owen was such an amazing heel. I liked his tag team with Bulldog, but it's fun to imagine what else he might have done with that time.
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Post by tirtefaa on Oct 13, 2022 18:06:02 GMT -5
Didn't Shawn refuse to work with Owen at some point in 1997?
As much as I liked Owen, after 1994 he lost a lot of steam, and I don't think he had much main event dexterity. Maybe if he had some credible feud wins, it might have worked, but he slipped into the sidekick role for a lot of the remainder of his career. It may have worked in late '97 and early '98.
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Post by eudypfohl on Oct 13, 2022 18:28:29 GMT -5
Didn't Shawn refuse to work with Owen in 1997? As much as I liked Owen, after 1994 he lost a lot of steam, and I don't think he had much main event dexterity. Maybe if he had some credible feud wins, it might have worked, but he slipped into the sidekick role for a lot of the remainder of his career. It may have worked in late '97 and early '98...but again I guess Shawn might have nixed it. Considering he was planning on retiring early then it could be that he was just fine with losing steam as long as he wad still working in some way. He probably didn't have much in terms of career goals and aspirations at that point |
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Oct 14, 2022 1:27:18 GMT -5
Owen kicked Shawn's smile off his smile with that Enziguri (an impossible word to spell) after Syracuse in late '95.
This led to the genesis of HBK hating all Harts and refusing to put them over.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 14, 2022 1:49:09 GMT -5
They were gonna after Montreal, but it would much more believable for the nuclear heatz if Shawn just worked with his friends....
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 15, 2022 11:31:24 GMT -5
Because despite how great of a worker he was & the understandable retconning after his tragic death he wasn't a main eventer. He worked the main with Bret but those matches worked in the context of the annoying little brother pissing off his reluctant big brother. Otherwise I saw him as a midcard guy.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 15, 2022 13:24:10 GMT -5
Owen was such an amazing heel. I liked his tag team with Bulldog, but it's fun to imagine what else he might have done with that time. In an alternate timeline, Vince picks Owen as his first challenger against Stone Cold, not Foley |
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Post by greyfmdan on Oct 15, 2022 22:58:52 GMT -5
Didn’t Owen attack Shawn shortly after Montreal? It seems like he did and that they were hinting it was going to be Shawn’s next feud, but they went with a half-hearted Owen/HHH feud instead.
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Post by tntchamp on Oct 16, 2022 20:01:46 GMT -5
Owen was such an amazing heel. I liked his tag team with Bulldog, but it's fun to imagine what else he might have done with that time. In an alternate timeline, Vince picks Owen as his first challenger against Stone Cold, not Foley It could have been a great feud but I can't see Stone Cold ever being willing to work with Owen after what happened to SummerSlam 97 and the fact Owen never had called him. |
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 16, 2022 20:43:57 GMT -5
Didn't they have a short feud leading to the match at In Your House before WM12? Not a long one sure, but Michaels put his title shot on the line and it was a revenge of sorts for the concussion angle since Owen tried to take credit for the injury.
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 16, 2022 20:56:45 GMT -5
I'm sure it's been asked in shoots over the years, is there a reason why Ken Shamrock was the challenger for HBK in the December 1997 PPV?
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 17, 2022 14:10:13 GMT -5
In an alternate timeline, Vince picks Owen as his first challenger against Stone Cold, not Foley It could have been a great feud but I can't see Stone Cold ever being willing to work with Owen after what happened to SummerSlam 97 and the fact Owen never had called him. Also true, but it here was no one else who would have been a better fit. |
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Oct 17, 2022 14:23:01 GMT -5
I'm sure it's been asked in shoots over the years, is there a reason why Ken Shamrock was the challenger for HBK in the December 1997 PPV? Shamrock was the only babyface left who could credibly get a title shot at that point.
Austin was injured and IC champ, Owen's situation was up in the air after Montreal and Taker had only just faced Shawn. The only other option was Mankind and he'd just been destroyed by Kane.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 18, 2022 11:28:04 GMT -5
I think it came down to Vince just not viewing Owen as a main eventer. Shawn has said in many platforms he and Owen never had an issue and they talked after Montreal.
But I've also been re-reading Bret's book and I don't think it's a coincidence that Owen's 2 big singles pushes came when Bret renegotiated contracts
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Post by Bones58 on Oct 18, 2022 16:50:08 GMT -5
Because despite how great of a worker he was & the understandable retconning after his tragic death he wasn't a main eventer. He worked the main with Bret but those matches worked in the context of the annoying little brother pissing off his reluctant big brother. Otherwise I saw him as a midcard guy. Thank you, he was never going to be a world champion. Maybe in the mids 00s but never in the Attitude Era with the main event talent they had. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Oct 19, 2022 10:40:14 GMT -5
I'm sure it's been asked in shoots over the years, is there a reason why Ken Shamrock was the challenger for HBK in the December 1997 PPV? Shamrock was the only babyface left who could credibly get a title shot at that point.
Austin was injured and IC champ, Owen's situation was up in the air after Montreal and Taker had only just faced Shawn. The only other option was Mankind and he'd just been destroyed by Kane.
Yeah their roster was so thin after Survivor Series that in the 6-8 weeks after Montreal, the 2nd most featured babyface on a week to week basis was Commissioner Slaughter. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 19, 2022 17:20:54 GMT -5
I'm just astonished that he continued working for WWE for so long after the Screwjob with no apparent ill will.
Must have been about the chillest guy in the world.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 19, 2022 17:30:46 GMT -5
I think it came down to Vince just not viewing Owen as a main eventer. Shawn has said in many platforms he and Owen never had an issue and they talked after Montreal. Shawn famously tells the truth at all times |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 19, 2022 21:29:35 GMT -5
Between the Hart name become a scarlet letter after Survivor Series 1997, and being directly responsible for shortening the career of the absolute top guy in the company, it's a wonder that the WWF still actually used him as a credible mid-card talent who still won tag titles and was even rumored to be winning the IC title on the day of his passing. I guess when you are as good as Owen was, it was best to keep him credible to help elevate the talent they do want to push.
But yeah, any chance of him ever main eventing was gone after 1997, and Shawn had Undertaker and Austin in line for big title matches before Owen was going to get a feud. Maybe after Mania in a timeline where Shawn's back doesn't break on the casket, Shawn and Owen get to have a blow off match instead of having Owen join the Nation to continue the DX feud?
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