How much do you care whether or not something's over?

[Lizuka #BLM]

Meaning this both ways, both whether something is being met with crickets or if the crowd's responding super favorably to it.

I think my general rule of thumb is that if something is getting no reaction at all or getting responded to overwhelmingly negatively I generally see it as a problem, even if it's something I enjoy myself (oh the pains of being a Mustafa Ali fan), but if something is getting responded to but I'm not into it then I don't really care what the crowd thinks and still see it as bad regardless. Like you can show me people in the crowd pumped for Jade Cargill all you want but it's never going to change that I think she's horrendous at pretty much every aspect of being a wrestler.

[Mozenrath]

I think overness is not always cut and dry, and that crowd reactions matter, but that there are also things outside of popularity like credibility that should be taken into account.

All that being said, it can be really rough seeing something go out and die a painful death, and even acts I am not that into, I can get kind of hyped for them if the audience are losing their minds. Lex Luger is one of those guys who can be great one night and abysmal the next, for instance, but in the Monday Night War, people would lose their goddamn minds whenever he put the torture rack on people, even total shmucks. It did a lot to make me warm to him some more, and kind of remind me of how he was one of the lesser sung big deals of that era, at least before 2000 or so when he just got really played out and lame as a heel.

[Jindrak Mark]

It can definitely play a part.

I was never really a Hogan fan and was a bit bored of Rock in 2002 but the crowd reaction to their match made it immediately one of my all-time favorites.

As much as I love Sami I wouldn’t be enjoying his current stuff the way I am if he wasn’t so popular. Like if every single segment played out exactly the same but he was only getting tepid crowd reactions it just wouldn’t seem that exciting to me.

I hated the no-crowd era because even if a match was wrestled amazingly I just couldn’t get fully into it. A dead crowd just seems depressing and makes me enjoy it less.

If I absolutely despise someone though then I’m probably not going to give it a chance even if their stuff is really over.

[Toates Madhackrviper]

If I like something/someone and it/they are not over I don't give a f*** and like it anyway. The crowd not caring for something/someone I like doesn't effect me at all.

But if I don't like something/someone and it/they over, I give it/them credit for being over and accept it/them being a big part of the show, and I usually don't tune out over it.

It helps that I rarely hate wrestlers (for on screen reasons) though.

[Toates Madhackrviper]

Nov 27, 2022 2:07:41 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Meaning this both ways, both whether something is being met with crickets or if the crowd's responding super favorably to it.

I think my general rule of thumb is that if something is getting no reaction at all or getting responded to overwhelmingly negatively I generally see it as a problem, even if it's something I enjoy myself (oh the pains of being a Mustafa Ali fan), but if something is getting responded to but I'm not into it then I don't really care what the crowd thinks and still see it as bad regardless. Like you can show me people in the crowd pumped for Jade Cargill all you want but it's never going to change that I think she's horrendous at pretty much every aspect of being a wrestler.

Didn't read your intro post here until after writing my opinion, and realized we're basically opposites on this lol

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

I have this tendency to get more into the lower card than the main event, which means that I'll root for my favorites to get good material or to do well, but I also just sort of accept that I'm going to be most into stuff that isn't as popular.

Dead crowds absolutely kill the enjoyment of some stuff, and stuff that I like gets more enjoyable when it's over. But if something I don't like is over...well, I just sort of accept that that's the case, re-adjust my expectations, and hope it's used to subsidize or enhance acts and angles that I'm more into (but I don't count on it).

[Gravedigger's Biscuits]

I'm not bothered if somebody I like isn't over with the live audience or vice versa. If I like somebody, I will just enjoy them regardless.

I do think it leads to a better product if generally you listen to the wider audience, regardless of my personal feelings about a wrestler.

For example, I've never cared for Bray Wyatt. But I would still think it was stupid if WWE started treating him like a jobber, because he's very over and it would be good for the product if they nurtured his overness.

[Bo Rida]

Massively, I hate something I'm into being met with silence. Especially if comedic.
The long history of NXT wrestlers I enjoyed being mishandled on the main roster and losing any hope of getting over was depressing to watch.

On the flipside if I don't particularly like something it's more tolerable with a hot crowd.

[Triangle Lancer]

I like what I like.

2016: I'm at a live event. Dolph Ziggler versus Mojo Rawley. One of these two had a grand total of ONE person chanting for them (of course that man...was me), and the rest of the 4500+ were yelling "Let's Go Ziggler!", even though he was the heel.
The crowd (and my lone voice cheering Mojo) made this better than it had any right of being, and that made it fun.

[Toates Madhackrviper]

Nov 27, 2022 17:05:16 GMT -5 Triangle Lancer said:

I like what I like.

2016: I'm at a live event. Dolph Ziggler versus Mojo Rawley. One of these two had a grand total of ONE person chanting for them (of course that man...was me), and the rest of the 4500+ were yelling "Let's Go Ziggler!", even though he was the heel.
The crowd (and my lone voice cheering Mojo) made this better than it had any right of being, and that made it fun.

I'm so happy for Mojo that he has a fan.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Whether or not something is over does not affect whether I like the idea or not

However stuff being over makes the overall piece feel better because it is a live theatre art form and the crowd participation is a big part of the point