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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 5, 2022 18:24:17 GMT -5
The show just feels, Inconsequential. Also you have so much talent struggling for TV time. Yet Lethal and freaking Jeff Jarrett are getting pushed in 2022. "Pushed"? They have a 1-1 record. They're probably getting a match with the Acclaimed and that'll be it. I also think it should be said, Jarrett looked great in that match, better than I ever thought he'd look in 2022. I don't think this is going to be some sustained push, even so, I don't see Jarrett and Lethal being ratings killers, this Rampage was never going to look good on a Black Friday at 4PM EST.
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Post by clifford on Dec 5, 2022 18:24:32 GMT -5
Other than Punk’s return, was there a single instance where Rampage was important? The first few months there was a lot of effort put in. You had matches like Danielson vs. Eddie Kingston taking place on a Rampage. Pac vs Andrade (back when an Andrade match was a big deal) was put on Rampage when it had to be shuffled off All Out. Adam Cole and Punk were almost Rampage exclusive their first few months in the company. Now it's like...oh hey here's a name (OC, Darby, Mox) taking on a lower midcarder. Here's a 30 second squash match. Here's two female wrestlers who haven't been seen since their last appearance on Rampage 6 weeks ago. When you tell the audience that this shit don't matter...then guess what? They listen.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 5, 2022 18:26:40 GMT -5
Other than Punk’s return, was there a single instance where Rampage was important? The first few months there was a lot of effort put in. You had matches like Danielson vs. Eddie Kingston taking place on a Rampage. Pac vs Andrade (back when an Andrade match was a big deal) was put on Rampage when it had to be shuffled off All Out. Adam Cole and Punk were almost Rampage exclusive their first few months in the company. Now it's like...oh hey here's a name (OC, Darby, Mox) taking on a lower midcarder. Here's a 30 second squash match. Here's two female wrestlers who haven't been seen since their last appearance on Rampage 6 weeks ago. When you tell the audience that this shit don't matter...then guess what? They listen. I mean some Rampages have had lower cards than others, but didn't we just have Eddie/Ortiz vs Akiyama/Takeshita main event a show? And 10 turning on Dark Order? These things happened very recently on the show, to end the shows They still do things on Rampage to try and get people to pay attention, but again, this show happened at 4PM EST, on Black Friday, they could have stacked it, and I dont think it would have mattered like at all
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 5, 2022 18:27:23 GMT -5
I really have an extremely hard time buying Black Friday had anything whatsoever to do with this considering 1), who's still doing Black Friday shopping at the dead of night, and 2), the show did substantially better on Christmas and New Year's. The timeslot probably did though given it was a live 1PM start time for west coast viewers. A lot of people said they'd miss the show due to that because of still being at work and such.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 5, 2022 18:33:40 GMT -5
Seriously, just make Rampage the ROH weekly show. Separate your roster (giving more guys TV time), have unique storylines that don't intersect with AEW save for maybe a big supershow once a year, and see how it goes. A weekly ROH with different stuff happening would be at least more interesting than Friday Night Heat.
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Post by jm on Dec 5, 2022 18:33:51 GMT -5
I really have an extremely hard time buying Black Friday had anything whatsoever to do with this considering 1), who's still doing Black Friday shopping at the dead of night, and 2), the show did substantially better on Christmas and New Year's. The timeslot probably did though given it was a live 1PM start time for west coast viewers. A lot of people said they'd miss the show due to that because of still being at work and such. This wasn't the Black Friday Rampage. The Black Friday one was two weeks ago. This was for this past Fri. It was on at its regular time.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 5, 2022 18:33:56 GMT -5
How dare you say OC v fat underwear jobber and his jobber friends is not incredible?! If you actually watched the match, it was a very fun match, which then set up a future match with Kip Sabian, and had House of Black end the show Again, they did a lot, and calling QT Marshall fat of all people is an awkward take in itself but I won't go there. Again, if you watch the shows, it doesn't feel like you were jaded, the live thread had a great time and were pretty surprised how many things they touched on in the hour. But if you're just going to stay stalwart in the fact the show isn't worth watching and the people they feature suck, it is what it is. I'm just giving you the perspective of someone who watched, it was a fun show. I don't really think setting up a match with Cardboard Box Jobber is much of a step up. Still baffled that they spent months building this dude's return up then had him immediately lose a title match and not have a match on TV since. And that somehow it's not even the first time they did that since they pretty much did the exact same thing with debuting Tony Nese.
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Post by schizo on Dec 5, 2022 18:36:56 GMT -5
Here’s a thought, turn rampage into the full-blown ROH brand that they desperately need, they already have the one-hour slot, the titles and the talent, I mean Iam sorry but Rampage has that 2003 Sunday night heat feel to it, nobody does care about Rampage except for like 5 people on this board, So yeah, just turn Rampage into the ROH brand. Dynamite could be the AEW brand while the Friday show will be ROH. I mean maybe people will actually watch it?
EDIT: didn’t realize someone had the same idea a couple of post up, my bad. It’s definitely not the worse idea in the world
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Post by THE FVNKER on Dec 5, 2022 18:38:25 GMT -5
Seriously, just make Rampage the ROH weekly show. Separate your roster (giving more guys TV time), have unique storylines that don't intersect with AEW save for maybe a big supershow once a year, and see how it goes. A weekly ROH with different stuff happening would be at least more interesting than Friday Night Heat. That really does seem like the best move. I guess you just pick some of the AEW talent and "sign" them as ROH to fill up the spots left vacant that weren't pre-TK ROH, and roll with it. I can't imagine what night ROH fits into on a cable TV spot other than replacing Rampage anyway. I don't see it happening, but who knows.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 5, 2022 18:40:00 GMT -5
Seriously, just make Rampage the ROH weekly show. Separate your roster (giving more guys TV time), have unique storylines that don't intersect with AEW save for maybe a big supershow once a year, and see how it goes. A weekly ROH with different stuff happening would be at least more interesting than Friday Night Heat. I doubt WB would go for it really. AEW has significantly more name value than ROH does, repackaging Rampage into an ROH show with the same timeslot would probably just make the ratings even worse.
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Post by mo on Dec 5, 2022 18:48:12 GMT -5
Yeah, Rampage hasn’t really seemed to matter other than the Punk return and Omega/Christian Impact title match. Started off with promise but fizzled pretty quickly. I’d say the ratings, which started out at or around a million, seem to reflect that.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Dec 5, 2022 18:51:04 GMT -5
THIS IS RAMPAGE THE SHOW A STEADILY DECREASING AMOUNT OF PEOPLE BEEN WAITIN ON
*miro shooting lightning out of his eyes*
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Post by Cyno on Dec 5, 2022 18:56:40 GMT -5
Rampage is a fun watch most weeks, but the cards on paper don't exactly scream "must watch."
Really wonder if Tony Khan phones in the booking on paper because of the timeslot. Then again, Rampage is also a heavily DVR'd show. Tony could just say "Look at how great we do with DVR+3 and +7. Give us a better timeslot and more of those translate to live numbers."
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Post by asuka007 on Dec 5, 2022 19:19:34 GMT -5
Rampage is a fun watch most weeks, but the cards on paper don't exactly scream "must watch." Really wonder if Tony Khan phones in the booking on paper because of the timeslot. Then again, Rampage is also a heavily DVR'd show. Tony could just say "Look at how great we do with DVR+3 and +7. Give us a better timeslot and more of those translate to live numbers." Tony also says from time to time in interviews that he “wants to make Rampage feel more important again.” But his booking says otherwise? So IDK what he’s thinking right now?
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Dec 5, 2022 19:21:22 GMT -5
It's settled. No more lumberjack matches ever!
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Post by Dub H on Dec 5, 2022 19:23:03 GMT -5
If you actually watched the match, it was a very fun match, which then set up a future match with Kip Sabian, and had House of Black end the show Again, they did a lot, and calling QT Marshall fat of all people is an awkward take in itself but I won't go there. Again, if you watch the shows, it doesn't feel like you were jaded, the live thread had a great time and were pretty surprised how many things they touched on in the hour. But if you're just going to stay stalwart in the fact the show isn't worth watching and the people they feature suck, it is what it is. I'm just giving you the perspective of someone who watched, it was a fun show. I don't really think setting up a match with Cardboard Box Jobber is much of a step up. Still baffled that they spent months building this dude's return up then had him immediately lose a title match and not have a match on TV since. And that somehow it's not even the first time they did that since they pretty much did the exact same thing with debuting Tony Nese. And Kipp was really over. its the definition of the grab the brass ring and get shit on. Cant slot him in, had to make time for all those Jay Lethal matches and ROH Titles.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Dec 5, 2022 20:03:49 GMT -5
I mean the first two matches had Lethal & Cole Karter……..Ain’t exactly the biggest surprise tbh
2nd half of the show was good but it needs more consistency of regular guys showing up like Kingston, Miro etc and cool moments on a regular basis to make it seem like a bigger deal
Yeah you get stuff like 10s turn but that was a guy turning on a faction of gobbers to join a faction that has never been important so why would even semi-casual fans care? (And I liked DO at one point and think Rush is good too but overall that’s a meh storyline)
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 5, 2022 20:05:01 GMT -5
Pretty unusually low rating especially when last week really exceeded expectations. Curious what next week looks like. The card wasn't stellar on paper but that's described a lot of Rampage cards. Could be the bottom falling out or an aberration. Only time will tell.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 5, 2022 20:08:02 GMT -5
The timeslot probably did though given it was a live 1PM start time for west coast viewers. A lot of people said they'd miss the show due to that because of still being at work and such. This wasn't the Black Friday Rampage. The Black Friday one was two weeks ago. This was for this past Fri. It was on at its regular time. I'm a bit sick right now so I apologize if Time's not very linear Still wonder if that mattered at all, sometimes things can be weird when shows change time and then go back for a week or two
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 5, 2022 20:11:58 GMT -5
I don't really think setting up a match with Cardboard Box Jobber is much of a step up. Still baffled that they spent months building this dude's return up then had him immediately lose a title match and not have a match on TV since. And that somehow it's not even the first time they did that since they pretty much did the exact same thing with debuting Tony Nese. And Kipp was really over. its the definition of the grab the brass ring and get shit on. Cant slot him in, had to make time for all those Jay Lethal matches and ROH Titles. The ROH World title getting matches on AEW TV has been good though? Like the matches Claudio and Jericho have had have been with top talents, and have been talked about. Literally got Bandido officially signed and opened a lot of eyes to Ishii. That's really been the only ROH title defended lately As for Lethal, not that I don't want Kip Sabian to get more time (And it looks like he will be anyway) but the Jay Lethal apathy does not reflect to crowd reactions or ratings. You can say it's his fault all you want, but there's literally no evidence to correlate that him getting time is the reason for anything. It's easy to blame him when you hate him and want him to go away obviously, but ratings are weird, they don't conform to one wrestler in terms of people leaving in droves. More they can show who people are tuning in for a ton, like how Moxley and Jericho have consistently bumped ratings for segments in the past.
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