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Post by dav on Dec 29, 2022 12:03:29 GMT -5
Also on the subject of Star Wars. Darth Vader, murderer of children, partook in a genocide, became one of the lynchpins of an oppressive regime that saw death and suffering on a galactic wide scale and sat back and did nothing while a planet was destroyed in front of him while his daughter was forced to watch.
And Luke says there's good in him.
Yeah... No.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 29, 2022 12:39:22 GMT -5
House MD. Any real doctor who behaves like him loses their license.
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Post by schma on Dec 29, 2022 12:45:48 GMT -5
What kills me with the DVDs of Transformers is that they kept the same incorrect order. They put the episodes in order by their air date rather than the order the were made. So, you get a decepticon defector talking about events that won't happen until several episodes later.
The Star Wars prequels created so many plot holes, but really George Lucas isn't exactly a master writer. This is the guy who thought a Parsec was a unit of time rather than distance. I enjoy a lot of Star Wars stuff but sometimes it amuses me how far people will go to twist things around to try to make all his mistakes make sense.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 29, 2022 12:46:10 GMT -5
On Bob's Burgers the food is shown to be pretty inexpensive, especially for the area the show is set, Bob has is known as a chef who who cares about using the highest quality ingredients and the restaurant always looks good. Let there's hardly ever any costumers.
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Post by peaches1 on Dec 29, 2022 13:36:16 GMT -5
Marty McFly's plan to get his parents together was to force himself on his mother in the back of a car so his dad could intervene. Wrong on so many levels.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 29, 2022 13:38:24 GMT -5
In Star Wars, The Kiss...but one need only say, "They didn't know then!" Leia remembering her mother in ROTJ. Vader could sense she was his daughter during the final duel with Luke-but not when the two of them meet in the first film? Obi-wan says he doesn’t remember ever owning a droid-but R2 is practically attached to him and Anakin at the hip in the prequels. How many times has a time paradox been used to explain things in Doctor Who? Vader figured out Luke had a sister because Luke knew and was trying to keep Vader from being able to sense that in his mind and unintentionally tipped his hand. During the first Vader/Luke fight in ESB, Luke didn’t know yet so he wasn’t trying to hide the information from Vader. And with Leia having no clue Vader was her father in A New Hope there’s no reason he’d have been able to get that knowledge from her
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 29, 2022 13:43:23 GMT -5
I'll remention my old mainstay: NCIS
If any of the "regular" agents were real they would be absolute legends on a world wide scale. "Yeah, we got this agent that had 27 shootouts last year and they killed 198 gangsters/murderers/terrorists and every case that was sent to them was solved. Oh, and it's their 12th year in a row doing that."
The bodycount of Gibbs has to be in the thousands. And that's not even counting his previous military sniper career. That's just driving around Virgina.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 29, 2022 13:44:46 GMT -5
It hasn't happened yet but That '90s Show will have to come up with an explanation why Hyde isn't around... Since he was a bit of a delinquent and himself mentioned his family being in jail, my best guess is he's in jail for selling weed or something Yeah but saying Hyde is in jail when the actor is facing rape charges feels a little too close to the bone. Plus it might be seen as a dig at Masterson when I imagine he's still friends with many of the cast and crew.
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Post by tirtefaa on Dec 29, 2022 13:50:52 GMT -5
Marty McFly's plan to get his parents together was to force himself on his mother in the back of a car so his dad could intervene. Wrong on so many levels. That's fine. By why is Seamus McFly married to a woman who looks exactly like his great grandson's wife? Was her last name originally Baines?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2022 16:05:44 GMT -5
Vader could sense she was his daughter during the final duel with Luke-but not when the two of them meet in the first film? I always just figured that was still when Vader didn't even know he had kids. Sometimes even the most obvious things can't be seen if you aren't looking for them. The prick was probably just like "this bitch senator would be dead already if I didn't have to pretend like the Senate still mattered." It was pretty blatant that he was reading Luke's feelings with the force in Return of the Jedi. He didn't know Leia was his daughter until Luke started worrying about her. How many times has a time paradox been used to explain things in Doctor Who? I mean Doctor Who openly has no canon... their stance on things is literally whatever you want to be canon is canon... otherwise just watch the show.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 29, 2022 16:34:53 GMT -5
I always just figured that was still when Vader didn't even know he had kids. Sometimes even the most obvious things can't be seen if you aren't looking for them. The prick was probably just like "this bitch senator would be dead already if I didn't have to pretend like the Senate still mattered." It was pretty blatant that he was reading Luke's feelings with the force in Return of the Jedi. He didn't know Leia was his daughter until Luke started worrying about her. I was addressing when Leia was face to face with Vader in A New Hope, I though that's was the poster was referencing. Dude didn't know he had kids period at that point.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 29, 2022 16:38:39 GMT -5
In Star Wars, The Kiss...but one need only say, "They didn't know then!" Leia remembering her mother in ROTJ. “Aunt” Beru and “Uncle” Owen: how did they end up with Luke? Seeing as how any blood relationship they had with him has been wiped from existence in the sequels and prequels and they never got so much as a mention after A New Hope, how and why did Obi Wan choose them to raise him? Watched the Harry Potter marathon again over Christmas and during the dragon challenge in the Triwizard Tournament, why did Harry need to summon his broom? Couldn’t he have stayed hidden under the rock and summon the egg to him instead?I literally never thought of this and now it's gonna be all I think whenever I watch Goblet of Fire.
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Post by cornettesracket on Dec 29, 2022 17:02:01 GMT -5
The fifth season of prison break is just taking the piss. For it to make any sense you have to forget that there was an extra episode after the last one which show a grave for Michael and everyone acting like he’d died. I loved that show and watched it religiously when it was out but this reconning of the end of the show bugged me.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 29, 2022 17:03:29 GMT -5
The sixth season of prison break is just taking the piss. For it to make any sense you have to forget that there was an extra episode after the last one which show a grave for Michael and everyone acting like he’d died. I loved that show and watched it religiously when it was out but this reconning of the end of the show bugged me. It's like "The Final Break" never happened. They don't even include it in the complete series set. I bought it separately and put it in the box myself.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2022 17:06:33 GMT -5
It was pretty blatant that he was reading Luke's feelings with the force in Return of the Jedi. He didn't know Leia was his daughter until Luke started worrying about her. I was addressing when Leia was face to face with Vader in A New Hope, I though that's was the poster was referencing. Dude didn't know he had kids period at that point. Leia didn't know she was Vader's daughter either. Vader only really figured out that Luke was his son because the last name and hanging out with Obi Wan.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 29, 2022 17:07:56 GMT -5
In Star Wars, The Kiss...but one need only say, "They didn't know then!" Leia remembering her mother in ROTJ. Vader could sense she was his daughter during the final duel with Luke-but not when the two of them meet in the first film? Obi-wan says he doesn’t remember ever owning a droid-but R2 is practically attached to him and Anakin at the hip in the prequels. How many times has a time paradox been used to explain things in Doctor Who? Vader only found out because he was reading Luke's mind and feelings during their duel and there was a hint of a surprise in his voice when he said "Sis-ter!" As Vader said "Your thoughts betray you."
And Obi-Wan never technically owned R2-D2. Or you know, he could've been lying. "From a certain point of view" and all that.
There's a problem with Star Wars fans where they take everything said by characters as literal truths instead of thinking they could lie or that they're unreliable narrators. I think the worst of it lately is with Sidious coming back in Episode IX. They take Poe saying "Somehow, Palpatine returned" as the literal, canonical explanation for how he was able to come back. The real explanation is cloning technology (in a very similar fashion to the Legends EU's Dark Empire). Yes, the movie never says it in dialogue outright, but they even showed the cloning labs when Kylo walked though the citadel on Exegol to meet Palps. I figured this out on my own without needing to read Pablo Hidalgo's explanations about strandcasts. But the fandom thought the pilot without a lick of force sensitivity is now the authority in how super-powerful Sith Lords are able to come back from the dead. And if he doesn't know, that means Disney and co just pulled it out of their ass and don't know themselves.
TRoS has a lot of issues with its storytelling. You could argue bringing back Palpatine is in itself a dumb plot point that hurts the narrative of Anakin's redemption as well as giving the next generation their own stories without the baggage of the last generation. But how it happened isn't one of them and is clearly inferred in the movie and outright explained in supplementary material.
Then again, the same fans whining about how Luke becoming more cynical and withdrawn due to his failure with Ben after 30 years is a major betrayal of the character also thought that it would've been cool to see instead a story where Luke literally turns to the Dark Side and becomes a Sith Apprentice to Palpatine's clone. only a couple of years removed from RotJ. So yeah. A lot of Star Wars fans are very stupid.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2022 17:36:06 GMT -5
Vader could sense she was his daughter during the final duel with Luke-but not when the two of them meet in the first film? Obi-wan says he doesn’t remember ever owning a droid-but R2 is practically attached to him and Anakin at the hip in the prequels. How many times has a time paradox been used to explain things in Doctor Who? Vader only found out because he was reading Luke's mind and feelings during their duel and there was a hint of a surprise in his voice when he said "Sis-ter!" As Vader said "Your thoughts betray you." And Obi-Wan never technically owned R2-D2. Or you know, he could've been lying. "From a certain point of view" and all that. There's a problem with Star Wars fans where they take everything said by characters as literal truths instead of thinking they could lie or that they're unreliable narrators. I think the worst of it lately is with Sidious coming back in Episode IX. They take Poe saying "Somehow, Palpatine returned" as the literal, canonical explanation for how he was able to come back. The real explanation is cloning technology (in a very similar fashion to the Legends EU's Dark Empire). Yes, the movie never says it in dialogue outright, but they even showed the cloning labs when Kylo walked though the citadel on Exegol to meet Palps. I figured this out on my own without needing to read Pablo Hidalgo's explanations about strandcasts. But the fandom thought the pilot without a lick of force sensitivity is now the authority in how super-powerful Sith Lords are able to come back from the dead. And if he doesn't know, that means Disney and co just pulled it out of their ass and don't know themselves.
TRoS has a lot of issues with its storytelling. You could argue bringing back Palpatine is in itself a dumb plot point that hurts the narrative of Anakin's redemption as well as giving the next generation their own stories without the baggage of the last generation. But how it happened isn't one of them and is clearly inferred in the movie and outright explained in supplementary material.
Then again, the same fans whining about how Luke becoming more cynical and withdrawn due to his failure with Ben after 30 years is a major betrayal of the character also thought that it would've been cool to see instead a story where Luke literally turns to the Dark Side and becomes a Sith Apprentice to Palpatine's clone. only a couple of years removed from RotJ. So yeah. A lot of Star Wars fans are very stupid.
what we need now is Luuke the clone of Luke >_>
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Post by Cyno on Dec 29, 2022 18:15:15 GMT -5
Vader only found out because he was reading Luke's mind and feelings during their duel and there was a hint of a surprise in his voice when he said "Sis-ter!" As Vader said "Your thoughts betray you." And Obi-Wan never technically owned R2-D2. Or you know, he could've been lying. "From a certain point of view" and all that. There's a problem with Star Wars fans where they take everything said by characters as literal truths instead of thinking they could lie or that they're unreliable narrators. I think the worst of it lately is with Sidious coming back in Episode IX. They take Poe saying "Somehow, Palpatine returned" as the literal, canonical explanation for how he was able to come back. The real explanation is cloning technology (in a very similar fashion to the Legends EU's Dark Empire). Yes, the movie never says it in dialogue outright, but they even showed the cloning labs when Kylo walked though the citadel on Exegol to meet Palps. I figured this out on my own without needing to read Pablo Hidalgo's explanations about strandcasts. But the fandom thought the pilot without a lick of force sensitivity is now the authority in how super-powerful Sith Lords are able to come back from the dead. And if he doesn't know, that means Disney and co just pulled it out of their ass and don't know themselves.
TRoS has a lot of issues with its storytelling. You could argue bringing back Palpatine is in itself a dumb plot point that hurts the narrative of Anakin's redemption as well as giving the next generation their own stories without the baggage of the last generation. But how it happened isn't one of them and is clearly inferred in the movie and outright explained in supplementary material.
Then again, the same fans whining about how Luke becoming more cynical and withdrawn due to his failure with Ben after 30 years is a major betrayal of the character also thought that it would've been cool to see instead a story where Luke literally turns to the Dark Side and becomes a Sith Apprentice to Palpatine's clone. only a couple of years removed from RotJ. So yeah. A lot of Star Wars fans are very stupid.
what we need now is Luuke the clone of Luke >_> There are rumors with the new Ahsoka series that Thrawn will have a mad Jedi and their apprentice working with him.
Maybe it's Luuke's time to shine in canon. >_>
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 29, 2022 18:59:14 GMT -5
I'm actually remastering all my Transformers DVDs at the moment, and got to the third season about an hour ago. I'd completely forgotten about that particular plot point. Once you're finished, explain the Constructions history I like this one: The Constructicons origin in G1. ALL of them are true. There was an original group of Constructicons on Cybertron who did build Megatron. But the Constructicons weren't just Mixmaster, Long Haul, Hook, Scrapper, et al. It was another race/faction of Transformers. So those Constructicons were not the core group we are all familiar with. Those six were the ones who were friends with Omega Supreme and got corrupted by Megatron. Somehow those became Megs' sole group of Constructicon loyalists, yet for reasons they didn't make it to Earth. So Megatron downloaded their personalities into the Constructicons he built on Earth, ala the Combaticons.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 29, 2022 21:57:22 GMT -5
Look, let's all just be honest and admit Lucas was just making shit up movie per movie.
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