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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 1, 2023 15:50:24 GMT -5
Looking back maybe they should've had Asuka beat Charlotte for the title and then have Becky end Asuka's streak. She actually would've benefitted from it at that point and also would've played into her winning streak by going against the woman with the ultimate win streak. Only thing is then how to handle Carmella's cash in. Having her cash in on Becky would've been more effective in getting more heat on her. I don't know if you do it right after Becky beats Asuka though as that would be a big moment in itself and you wouldn't want that overshadowed however at the same time it wouldn't be as effective in getting Carmella over. Or I guess you could just have Carmella fail the cash in. However she was the first woman MITB so you probably don't want a failed cash in right away and I think they also saw her as a long term main eventer at that point and probably wouldn't want to her to get jobbed in such an embarrassing fashion like that. My idea during that Mania was have Carmella hide under the ring after the Women's Battle Royal, and pop out while Asuka is celebrating. You get the win streak off Asuka while giving her a boost, and avoid giving more over push to the Queen of the overpush I do remember thinking once Carmella got ganged up on and eliminated first in the battle royal "yep she's definitely cashing in and winning tonight". However they ended up waiting until the next Smackdown instead. Also strange looking back how they gave the IIconics such a big debut by having them beat up Charlotte to lead to the cash in and then proceeded to do nothing with them until the following year when they won the tag titles at the next years Mania which they again then did nothing to follow up on.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 1, 2023 16:39:42 GMT -5
Another thing about Carmella is that they still ended up having her feud with Asuka anyway.
And if anything that feud made Asuka look like a total idiot and chump. Far more than a simple MITB cash in would have.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 1, 2023 16:49:32 GMT -5
I'm kind of suspecting Charlotte's not even going to have the belt for very long and this was mostly done to position her as going for #17 against Bianca at Mania.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 1, 2023 16:54:48 GMT -5
If they would count her NXT Title reigns (which they were for awhile and then stopped), she’s already be at #16 and this whole thing would be close to ending.
I donMt think anyone cares about Charlotte breaking her dad’s record nearly as much as WWE seems to think.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 1, 2023 16:55:24 GMT -5
I'm kind of suspecting Charlotte's not even going to have the belt for very long and this was mostly done to position her as going for #17 against Bianca at Mania. So this hypothetical would put both women’s singles belts on one person, much like the men’s world titles and the men’s tag team titles, right?
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 1, 2023 16:59:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure at least 1 of Ric's title reigns was won off a dog and another just straight up wasn't even real
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 1, 2023 17:01:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure at least 1 of Ric's title reigns was won off a dog and another just straight up wasn't even real Honestly the story of how many world title reigns Ric actually has is a complicated/convoluted mess. I think Ric himself said he thinks 21 is probably a more accurate number, and Meltzer said it could be as high as 24/25 depending on how you look at it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 1, 2023 17:02:22 GMT -5
I'm kind of suspecting Charlotte's not even going to have the belt for very long and this was mostly done to position her as going for #17 against Bianca at Mania. So this hypothetical would put both women’s singles belts on one person, much like the men’s world titles and the men’s tag team titles, right? Nah, I figure she's going to end up losing it back to Ronda somehow in-between. Particularly given the rumors going around of 1), Ronda vs. Rhea at Mania, and 2), Judgment Day jumping to SmackDown to feud with the Bloodline.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 1, 2023 17:02:26 GMT -5
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 1, 2023 17:04:26 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure at least 1 of Ric's title reigns was won off a dog and another just straight up wasn't even real Hell, one pair of them saw him win the belt from Jeff Jarrett, it was immediately vacated, then Kevin Nash won the belt and gave it back to him only for him to lose it back to Jarrett the same night.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 1, 2023 17:06:52 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure at least 1 of Ric's title reigns was won off a dog and another just straight up wasn't even real Hell, one pair of them saw him win the belt from Jeff Jarrett, it was immediately vacated, then Kevin Nash won the belt and gave it back to him only for him to lose it back to Jarrett the same night. Literally like it makes me happy that Charlotte has 17 titles in a similarly convoluted f***ed up "but actually" way because it is SUCH a top tier bullshit record
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Post by mistery on Jan 1, 2023 17:26:37 GMT -5
Yeah, WWE is MASSIVELY overestimating how many people are going to care about Charlotte breaking Ric's record. Partially because I don't think any of her reigns have been even remotely memorable, outside of them usually coming at the expense of women more popular than her.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jan 1, 2023 17:48:04 GMT -5
So this hypothetical would put both women’s singles belts on one person, much like the men’s world titles and the men’s tag team titles, right? Nah, I figure she's going to end up losing it back to Ronda somehow in-between. Particularly given the rumors going around of 1), Ronda vs. Rhea at Mania, and 2), Judgment Day jumping to SmackDown to feud with the Bloodline. Judgement Day also has Rey vs Dominik to set up with Rhea and Dom wrecking Rey’s Martin Luther King Jr. Day
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Post by Dub H on Jan 1, 2023 17:52:33 GMT -5
Yeah, WWE is MASSIVELY overestimating how many people are going to care about Charlotte breaking Ric's record. Partially because I don't think any of her reigns have been even remotely memorable, outside of them usually coming at the expense of women more popular than her. The only memorable one is the one she lost to Becky. And that is 90% on Becky
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 1, 2023 18:34:19 GMT -5
I don't even know what can be done to keep Charlotte interesting beyond the first few weeks.
I admit I popped for that title change but that was mostly because Ronda's been terrible lately. Once the dust settles and you realize she's walking into Wrestlemania as champion again I tried to think what match would be interesting and I honestly can't think of anything. Charlotte/Ronda? God no they should have a quick rematch and immediately move on. Charlotte/Becky? Don't need to see that again. Charlotte/Rhea? Again, already seen it in 2020 and 2021. Charlotte/Bayley? Sounds boring to me. Charlotte/Bianca? Honestly probably the best choice for her and in kayfabe massive but in reality I don't think it's some mega match. I think Becky/Rhea non-title would be bigger.
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Post by mistery on Jan 1, 2023 18:37:41 GMT -5
I don't even know what can be done to keep Charlotte interesting beyond the first few weeks. I admit I popped for that title change but that was mostly because Ronda's been terrible lately. Once the dust settles and you realize she's walking into Wrestlemania as champion again I tried to think what match would be interesting and I honestly can't think of anything. Charlotte/Ronda? God no they should have a quick rematch and immediately move on. Charlotte/Becky? Don't need to see that again. Charlotte/Rhea? Again, already seen it in 2020 and 2021. Charlotte/Bayley? Sounds boring to me. Charlotte/Bianca? Honestly probably the best choice for her and in kayfabe massive but in reality I don't think it's some mega match. I think Becky/Rhea non-title would be bigger. There's always Charlotte vs whatever new version of Asuka we are getting, but the problem is that I don't know if WWE could resist the urge to have Charlotte win again. Also I have a feeling the audience would side with Asuka even if she ends up being a heel. And even if Asuka did win, it would likely be via rollup or not clean.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Jan 1, 2023 18:50:04 GMT -5
Yeah, WWE is MASSIVELY overestimating how many people are going to care about Charlotte breaking Ric's record. Partially because I don't think any of her reigns have been even remotely memorable, outside of them usually coming at the expense of women more popular than her. Struck through some text to get at what I think.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 1, 2023 18:52:03 GMT -5
I don't even know what can be done to keep Charlotte interesting beyond the first few weeks. I admit I popped for that title change but that was mostly because Ronda's been terrible lately. Once the dust settles and you realize she's walking into Wrestlemania as champion again I tried to think what match would be interesting and I honestly can't think of anything. Charlotte/Ronda? God no they should have a quick rematch and immediately move on. Charlotte/Becky? Don't need to see that again. Charlotte/Rhea? Again, already seen it in 2020 and 2021. Charlotte/Bayley? Sounds boring to me. Charlotte/Bianca? Honestly probably the best choice for her and in kayfabe massive but in reality I don't think it's some mega match. I think Becky/Rhea non-title would be bigger. Honestly the only things I can think of right now are: 1. Charlotte vs. Liv. They have teased a storyline between those two before and the idea of it tying into Liv’s growth as a wrestler. So there might be SOMETHING there at least. Or. 2. Someone new, either coming in from outside or an NXT call up, getting a major push right away by feuding with Charlotte. Other than that, IDK?
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Post by Medium Rare, Trash Just Like U on Jan 1, 2023 19:45:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure at least 1 of Ric's title reigns was won off a dog and another just straight up wasn't even real I like to pretend Ric Flair isn't real.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jan 1, 2023 20:51:23 GMT -5
It's really not that impressive when you have two "World" titles on the main shows have both been around for 6 years, and they were won by a handful of women, and each reign averages out to like 45 days each.
Say what you will about Ric Flair's stupid record, but I think people look at his "champion" stage when he was NWA champion and really use that as the cornerstone of his legacy, and quite frankly his WCW reigns were mostly uneventful, especially toward the end. Despite not being a Goldberg fan, I thought once he won the belt that it was going to be a time where we saw a change in the main event scene, but when guys like Flair, Savage and Hogan we're still winning it, it felt so meaningless and redundant.
I think that is my big take away, a lot of these people when they win a title a dozen times or so, it really does feel pointless. The only exception to the rule is when you have a vacuum effect, where you need someone to fill the void without letting the title suffer on someone who isn't deserving, a good case is when they gave it to Cena in 2014, who was the obvious choice to retain credibility. But trading titles just to trade titles? That's just boring. Edge and Randy Orton are examples of guys who won the title a ton of times and literally have nothing to ever prove by winning it again.
I'm not a fan of super long title reigns by any stretch, but I prefer it when a champion has a good story from beginning to end, an example being Hogan's first three WWF title reigns. I remember them more for the rich feuds he had rather than the length he had the belt for. I couldn't tell you anything about the eighth time Orton won the title, who he won it from and who he lost it to.
So I guess if I had to measure it;
Quality > Longevity > Quantity
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