Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 12, 2023 4:12:08 GMT -5
Well, the fans used to go crazy for bikini contests and lingerie pillow fights. Now the general consensus seems to be "That was all sexist and I'm glad it's gone" I wonder how one of those segments would go down today. Would the crowd still pop? Would the women get even MORE over due to the sex appeal? It will never happen but I'm curious. Just picking two with the craziest stans, Sasha Banks and Alexa Bliss. Yeah, you'd be cleaning the pop for weeks.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Jan 12, 2023 4:29:37 GMT -5
My god did the ol WC version of this forum give him a hard time for being a bad wrestler. Now he's known as being really good
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Post by msc on Jan 12, 2023 4:34:07 GMT -5
Kevin Nash was the internet wrestling cancer in the late 90s, nowadays he's pretty much widely respected. Also, his career's been reappraised somewhat too - from Worst Wrestler Ever to good big buy who could produce great work with the right opponents.
Jake Roberts was a punchline in the 90s. An alcoholic washup addict. If you'd told me after Heroes of Wrestling that a few decades later, Jake would be ALIVE, a Hall of Famer, sober, and seen as an inspiration for his work to clean up, face his mental health demons, rebuild his life, family and career, and face a terminal illness (COPD) with dignity and braveness, I'd have not believed you. I couldn't be happier he turned himself around.
Lance Storm was the most underrated guy in WCW and WWE, turned grumpy old man on the internet and a meme, but seems to be back to hell of a talent and trainer again.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 12, 2023 6:18:19 GMT -5
Lance Storm was the most underrated guy in WCW and WWE, turned grumpy old man on the internet and a meme, but seems to be back to hell of a talent and trainer again. One of the biggest shifts with Storm is that his weak chair shots in ECW (once seen as as source of criticism for how they looked) are now seen as him actually smart about not hurting other people especially given how much concussions have destroyed wrestler's lives in the last 25 years.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 12, 2023 7:56:29 GMT -5
Another big one in this area is Flair. Ten years ago, there was not this much eye-rolling and disgust for the man. Yep. His antics with his "last" match and such didn't help. Being reminded of the Plane Ride antics too (Tommy Dreamer, on the other hand, laid low after that DSOTR episode and seemed to have said nothing stupid since, so his beef tends to be forgotten...) Speaking of the Plane Ride, a lot of people used to think that was funny or just standard 90s to mid 2000s wrestler bullshit. Then we finally heard the perspective of someone who wasn't one of the drunk guys.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jan 12, 2023 8:44:27 GMT -5
I feel like the obsession with work rate among internet fans has softened over the years. In the middle 2000s, it seemed like every match that wasn’t an Angle vs Benoit work rate classic was called trash. Lots of the talk about classic WWF or post Crockett WCW was about how crappy the work was. Good luck ever trying to make an appreciation post about a hoss like Sid or Kevin Nash. It seems that there is a much broader appreciation of different wrestling styles these days.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 12, 2023 10:41:44 GMT -5
One I have noticed is back in the 80s Brody was loved by all that knew who he was.
Now decades later more of the backstage stuff he pulled is known. Plus it is easier to see his matches and his rep had been tarnished a bit.
Jerry Lawler-Went from being the MAN in Memphis to now a few generations of fans just know him as "that old dude being pervy on RAW commentary from 20 years ago". Well all the other stuff Lawler got up to outside the ring hasn't helped.
Eddie Gilbert-Like Brody was LOVED by all that had seen him wrestle. Now since his death more and more stories about him being a PITA behind the scenes has changed how people see Eddie.
Mistico-Lucha Fans and Meltz praised him like the next big thing. Then his run in WWE as Sin Cara was a bust and now people that haven't seen his Mexico work wonder what all the hype was about.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 12, 2023 10:44:48 GMT -5
I feel like the obsession with work rate among internet fans has softened over the years. In the middle 2000s, it seemed like every match that wasn’t an Angle vs Benoit work rate classic was called trash. Lots of the talk about classic WWF or post Crockett WCW was about how crappy the work was. Good luck ever trying to make an appreciation post about a hoss like Sid or Kevin Nash. It seems that there is a much broader appreciation of different wrestling styles these days. It all depended on where you were in the IWC back in the day. Sure RSPW had the Workrate Kru,but you also had people that were huge Duggan,Hogan,Warrior and Sid fans. Deathvalleydriver had your workrate fans but had people that liked other styles. Even back in the early days the IWC had places for each type of fan. The trick was searching out the place that fit the style you liked.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 12, 2023 10:47:00 GMT -5
You could say the NWO Wolfpac in general. Looking back at this, these late 30's-early 40's white guys spitting out already played out rap slang was cringey as f***, but for some reason, it just hit in 1998. Weird days. That is one I think depended on how old you were back then. We had a group of 15 of us that watchedd Raw and Nitro each week back then. But we were all mid to late 20s. Wolfpac was hated. But so was NWO. But when we went to Thunder or Nitro tapings every kid,teen and early 20 year old had on a NWo or Wolfpac shirt.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 12, 2023 11:13:20 GMT -5
Who would think even 10 years ago that Billy Gunn would still be relevant in 2023?
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Post by fg on Jan 12, 2023 12:07:41 GMT -5
I seem to remember in 2004 (shortly after WM20), WWE introduced something called the Safe Style (at least that’s what the IWC called it.)
The IWC HATED it because it made the shows less exciting to watch.
Nowadays, maybe because of what we know now about say concussions, NO ONE complains about it. Everyone is concerned about wrestlers health (especially if it is concussion related.)
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jan 12, 2023 12:16:10 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is/was a genius. He definitely had the foresight and acumen to meld wrestling with MTV/cable/PPV and for that he should be lauded, but he has only ever been a good Booker when he has a veritable all star team on camera and behind the scenes to do the heavy lifting, A ruthless and thus great businessman…a not so great booker…. And a terrible human overall. Completely agree.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 12, 2023 12:23:05 GMT -5
Another big one in this area is Flair. Ten years ago, there was not this much eye-rolling and disgust for the man. Had Flair faded away, maybe making an appearance here and there like the usual legends, I think people would look at Flair more favorably... even with the Plan Ride from Hell situation.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 12, 2023 12:26:09 GMT -5
Well, the fans used to go crazy for bikini contests and lingerie pillow fights. Now the general consensus seems to be "That was all sexist and I'm glad it's gone" I wonder how one of those segments would go down today. Would the crowd still pop? Would the women get even MORE over due to the sex appeal? It will never happen but I'm curious. I think most fans would probably pop for it that very first time because we haven't seen it in forever, but there would be vocal part of the fanbase that wouldn't like it and would let people know on Twitter, Message Boards, etc. If they tried to make it a regular thing, it wouldn't work. Now, would the women in the locker room go for it. There would probably be a few that would, but i'm betting a majority wouldn't want to do it.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 12, 2023 12:28:15 GMT -5
One for me is David Crocket behind the mic. I remember growing up and thinking he was TERRIBLE as an announcer. Now, while he definitely wasn't polished, but he was the fan like all of us that just happened to be calling the action. I love hearing David Crocket now when I watch those old NWA Saturday shows.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jan 12, 2023 13:24:46 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is/was a genius. He definitely had the foresight and acumen to meld wrestling with MTV/cable/PPV and for that he should be lauded, but he has only ever been a good Booker when he has a veritable all star team on camera and behind the scenes to do the heavy lifting, A ruthless and thus great businessman…a not so great booker…. And a terrible human overall. See, I would definitely argue that at one point Vince was a better booker. Something definitely happened after WWF won the Monday Night Wars. Maybe it was the steep decline in ratings or the move to the USA network,.but around 2005 or so, that's when he remained steadfast that he was right and everyone else was wrong. No matter how much evidence proved otherwise, he stayed the course and made deliberate excuses to maintain that lazy direction.
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Post by chrom on Jan 12, 2023 16:36:46 GMT -5
ECW and Hardcore Wrestling.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Jan 12, 2023 16:49:11 GMT -5
I seem to remember in 2004 (shortly after WM20), WWE introduced something called the Safe Style (at least that’s what the IWC called it.) The IWC HATED it because it made the shows less exciting to watch. Nowadays, maybe because of what we know now about say concussions, NO ONE complains about it. Everyone is concerned about wrestlers health (especially if it is concussion related.) I think a lot of that is because many of us go to indie shows and see guys with half the talent of Ricochet doing needlessly dangerous moves in front of 40 people.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Jan 12, 2023 16:49:59 GMT -5
Another big one in this area is Flair. Ten years ago, there was not this much eye-rolling and disgust for the man. Had Flair faded away, maybe making an appearance here and there like the usual legends, I think people would look at Flair more favorably... even with the Plan Ride from Hell situation. He literally seems to have an addiction to being the Ric Flair character.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 12, 2023 17:12:23 GMT -5
Well, the fans used to go crazy for bikini contests and lingerie pillow fights. Now the general consensus seems to be "That was all sexist and I'm glad it's gone" I wonder how one of those segments would go down today. Would the crowd still pop? Would the women get even MORE over due to the sex appeal? It will never happen but I'm curious. I've always thought its been a missed opportunity not to use them in wwe as they must still be in the rulebooks. Like a lower tier woman flukes a battle royal to win a title shot under their chosen stipulation, they're completely mismatched in wrestling so chose something like a bra and panties match. Could have also worked with a heel authority figure at one point but not such a good idea these days.
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