Erik Majorwitz
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on May 15, 2007 18:27:10 GMT -5
I hope they partner with Don Imus and make a comeback... on ham radio!!!
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Post by 333-333-333 on May 15, 2007 18:32:32 GMT -5
I see a future in Numbers Stations
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Post by amsiraK on May 15, 2007 18:34:43 GMT -5
Yeah, the government had nothing to do with this. This was a response to advertiser complaint over content. As a business, radio stations have to keep the bottom line in sight. If they lose enough money, they're off the air.
And frankly, a month is a little lenient for joking about beating and raping a woman. Opie and Anthony have a history of acting like jackasses and this isn't gonna change things.
IMO, of course.
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Post by botchagain on May 15, 2007 18:43:08 GMT -5
Free speech has zero to do with this. When you are employed by and a representative of a company, they are well within their rights to govern what you say during the time you represent them. When you work for a radio station, you know what lines you can and can't cross on-air. I really think some people misunderstand what freedom of speech is. Right. I'm sure we all have one or a few public radio stations around the area, but you don't really see them as being comedians taking it too far. On the contrary, public radio tends to be less vulgar and harsh when it comes to debates, but I'm sure they have their odd idiosyncrasies and infuriated callers talking. But ...I'm not sure what these two said. At least, and I'm guessing here, they didn't go to the extent of bluntly wishing nuclear death on Rice. It's also petty when you can't say what you feel about how the government condones it's business, and it totally defeats the purpose of free speech, but in some cases you can be canned for doing so.. it also depends if you have a few bad hang-ups with the "Man", but for the most we should still be able to have rights to criticize and throw in our two cents if we feel such a matter deserves our time. If I'm incorrect about O&A's reaction to Rice then they are more than a pair of idiots than I thought.
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EvilMasterBetty, Esq.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on May 15, 2007 18:48:33 GMT -5
They didn't criticize Rice in the traditional sense. I went and looked into what they said and they're just a bunch of morons and jerks who shouldn't be allowed to be on the air.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 15, 2007 18:53:45 GMT -5
They didn't criticize Rice in the traditional sense. I went and looked into what they said and they're just a bunch of morons and jerks who shouldn't be allowed to be on the air. That's their whole schtick though, isn't it? That's why they were hired. Same with Imus. They have been saying/doing controversial things for YEARS now... it's not like one day an exec woke up and saw that they were crossing the boundaries. They've always been like that. I agree that it most likely has to do with ad revenue, but look at it this way: they have gotten this far with getting away with what they want, so why is it barely now that they are taken off the air? Why were they even allowed on the air in the first place, knowing what kind of subject material and the kind of comedy they are known for?
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Post by willywonka666 on May 15, 2007 19:03:12 GMT -5
Wait, now I'm confused, the second article that was posted was about two different guys that were fired last week-Not Opie and Anthony-and Yahoo's reporting that they're suspended-not fired
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Post by REDUNBECK~! on May 15, 2007 19:03:33 GMT -5
Well good. This isn't a free speech issue. Free Speech does not mean you can advocate RAPING someone and be within your rights. That's a personal attack on someone that goes way beyond the limits. What if they said "Hey, wouldn't it be funny to rape six year olds? Ha!!"? Would people be crying about Opie and Anthony's "free speech" rights then? Uh, no. It shouldn't be any different when they talk about adults.
O&A were irresponsible, plain and simple. They lobbed a vicious, hurtful attack against people who had done nothing to deserve it. That is not protected under free speech. "Clear and present danger". f***ing Google it already.
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Post by Timmy8271 on May 15, 2007 19:12:37 GMT -5
It was stupid to say and they probably should have been fired. But this doesn't look good. It goes beyond them getting fired because of what they said. It gives people the right to fire someone if they don't like what they are saying. For example, If some left wing guy said "so and so is a nazi for trying to stop illegal immigration" this means they could get fired over saying that. It's not right and they should be yelled at but not fired.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 15, 2007 19:21:23 GMT -5
Again, if you run a company, and an employee is representing your company, you have every right to stop them from saying anything you don't want them to while they are on company time as the public face of your company and your interests. Most companies have the right of termination for pretty much any reason anyhow, unless you've signed some sort of contract.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech.
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Post by Captain Wonderful on May 15, 2007 19:25:33 GMT -5
Bill of Rights ammendment #1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. And yet, the FCC is a government agent that does just that. INTERESTING. Gotta love this country. That has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech. Unfortunately, as much as I love my free speech, this is correct. At (the very) least it's XM deciding what they don't want on their broadcasts, the same way this site chooses to implement the swear filters. Not because anyone's telling them to, but because they wish themselves to do so.
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Post by willywonka666 on May 15, 2007 19:29:40 GMT -5
That's why I hate the term "Shock Jock" people take it too seriously and think that every DJ with a show is supposed to offend, it was just a tag given to Howard Stern by the media trying to sound creative. Howard didn't do stuff like this, he was being Howard,and now there's tons of people taking one overblown aspect and exploiting it, maybe some Jocks will think twice now and I dunno, maybe come up with something fresh
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Post by Mayonnaise on May 15, 2007 19:31:17 GMT -5
It was stupid to say and they probably should have been fired. But this doesn't look good. It goes beyond them getting fired because of what they said. It gives people the right to fire someone if they don't like what they are saying. For example, If some left wing guy said "so and so is a nazi for trying to stop illegal immigration" this means they could get fired over saying that. It's not right and they should be yelled at but not fired. If what they said was political then I'd agree but, they were joking about violently raping another person. There is a huge difference, IMO.
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Post by gsguy on May 15, 2007 19:34:00 GMT -5
Bill of Rights ammendment #1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. And yet, the FCC is a government agent that does just that. INTERESTING. Gotta love this country. That has nothing whatsoever to do with free speech. Unfortunately, as much as I love my free speech, this is correct. At (the very) least it's XM deciding what they don't want on their broadcasts, the same way this site chooses to implement the swear filters. Not because anyone's telling them to, but because they wish themselves to do so. I don't believe the FCC were the ones who suspended them though.
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Post by Timmy8271 on May 15, 2007 19:37:39 GMT -5
It was stupid to say and they probably should have been fired. But this doesn't look good. It goes beyond them getting fired because of what they said. It gives people the right to fire someone if they don't like what they are saying. For example, If some left wing guy said "so and so is a nazi for trying to stop illegal immigration" this means they could get fired over saying that. It's not right and they should be yelled at but not fired. If what they said was political then I'd agree but, they were joking about violently raping another person. There is a huge difference, IMO. Your right there is a difference. Correct me if i'm wrong but weren't they on XM when they said this not free radio? FCC has nothing to do with it. Not yet anyways.
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Post by Mayonnaise on May 15, 2007 19:39:31 GMT -5
If what they said was political then I'd agree but, they were joking about violently raping another person. There is a huge difference, IMO. Your right there is a difference. Correct me if i'm wrong but weren't they on XM when they said this not free radio? FCC has nothing to do with it. Not yet anyways. I believe so.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 15, 2007 19:39:47 GMT -5
XM still has a right to protect their own interests in ad revenue etc.
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Post by botchagain on May 15, 2007 19:44:33 GMT -5
XM still has a right to protect their own interests in ad revenue etc. Because XM doesn't want to be seen as being apart of O&A as a whole. I stand corrected on my previous statement.
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Post by Timmy8271 on May 15, 2007 19:55:20 GMT -5
XM has the right but FCC can't fire them can they? I don't blame XM but If i'm paying for it, I don't want to government involved.
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NIXON
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Post by NIXON on May 15, 2007 20:02:30 GMT -5
Man what a great couple of months! That piece of crap Imus is gone, these 2 schmucks are on the block and all is right with the world. From what I have read, they are being punished because they were joking about this issue after the fact. They made whatever rape bit they did, but that was last week, then they tucked their tales and apologized for it, then started joking about it again. O and A are and always have been worthless gimps and I hope they get canned.
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