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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 26, 2023 14:51:17 GMT -5
This was stupid at the time but now it's pretty common. Seth Rollins does a superplex into a falcon arrow for example. And Theory took the superplex and reversed the falcon arrow into a neckbreaker. Nobody bat an eyelid. Still stupid but somewhat accepted now. Those spots are stupid, but the Davey/Edwards spot is beyond the pale. The dudes straight up ran over 5 feet and tumbled over the top rope (with the guy who just took the move initiating it) out of nowhere. I hate those other spots too but at least there's something resembling logic Say what you will want about the Seth spot but he's the one doing the both moves. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 15:43:51 GMT -5
Do you have any examples? I've never heard of Page rubbing anyone the wrong way besides Punk, who probably would get offended by Mr. Rogers. I was done with Page once he admitted that he doesn't take advice from wrestling veterans. That's the equivalent of a current NBA star saying he can't learn anything from Michael Jordan because he's already in the NBA. Then there was the unscripted comment he made to Punk on live TV about "Bret Hart masturbation matches" or whatever his dumbass comment was. Maybe if Page shut his mouth and actually listened to those veterans trying to teach him something, someone outside of the AEW diehard bubble would actually know who he is. Like they know the names of the veterans he ignores. I've watched plenty of Adam Page matches, and I watched plenty of Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson matches 30+ years ago. In-ring wise, most of today's talents could teach those veterans a thing or twenty. |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 26, 2023 15:46:47 GMT -5
Those spots are stupid, but the Davey/Edwards spot is beyond the pale. The dudes straight up ran over 5 feet and tumbled over the top rope (with the guy who just took the move initiating it) out of nowhere. I hate those other spots too but at least there's something resembling logic there was logic to the Davey/Eddie spot. it was a direct repeat of a combo Davey did to Eddie in their first match (Davey gave Eddie a Superlex, then picked him back up for a brainbuster dropped into a cross armbreaker), only Eddie studied that match and countered the brainbuster/cross armbreaker by suplexing Davey over the top rope when Davey picked him up. Maybe it's due to a very intense personal hatred for the whole American Strong Style thing, but even with that explanation it's still terrible to me. There's no transition or struggle, it goes straight from highspot to the recipient of the previous highspot doing an even more dangerous highspot with zero struggle. The style was supposed to be "realistic" but it's the most obviously choreographed thing ever because there's no struggle or sense of drama. Say what you want about the Rush/Janella spot, at least Rush was doing a supernatural gimmick at the time. This doesn't come off as fighting spirit, it comes off as two guys wanting to do cool wrestle things. |
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Post by Gelatinous Parasite on Jan 26, 2023 16:02:42 GMT -5
Thank you! I doubt Kane has ever hit a sit down piledriver after that. What a piece of shit Hawk was. This was a couple of months after Kane debuted, a well-liked guy who had been saddled with terrible gimmicks was being pushed as an unstoppable monster. Up until that point, everyone who took a move from Kane sold it like death but a past his prime Hawk still has to do his stupid no selling shit. |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 26, 2023 17:11:31 GMT -5
Gotta adjust the pants!
Bless you, Hawk, you crazy mofo, you.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 26, 2023 17:35:53 GMT -5
I was done with Page once he admitted that he doesn't take advice from wrestling veterans. That's the equivalent of a current NBA star saying he can't learn anything from Michael Jordan because he's already in the NBA. Then there was the unscripted comment he made to Punk on live TV about "Bret Hart masturbation matches" or whatever his dumbass comment was. Maybe if Page shut his mouth and actually listened to those veterans trying to teach him something, someone outside of the AEW diehard bubble would actually know who he is. Like they know the names of the veterans he ignores. I've watched plenty of Adam Page matches, and I watched plenty of Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson matches 30+ years ago. In-ring wise, most of today's talents could teach those veterans a thing or twenty. I can't believe I'm going to entertain this, but indulge me... 🤔 |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 7, 2023 18:11:49 GMT -5
Gotta adjust the pants! Bless you, Hawk, you crazy mofo, you. Kane doing a regular piledriver despite not doing before or since just so Hawk could no sell it was funny enough. Hawk then doing his signature pull his pants up was icing on the cake. Why did he always do that anyways? He did it even before he started getting a gut so it's not a self conscious thing. Just a weird tick I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 19:22:47 GMT -5
Hawk must've really hated Kane. Cause that's not the first time he did that against him.
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Post by fortknox on Feb 7, 2023 20:12:04 GMT -5
Hawk must've really hated Kane. Cause that's not the first time he did that against him. What other times did he do it? The only other time I remember was the RVD/Kane vs LOD match from '03. When Hawk popped right up after the finish and Kane shoots him the dirtiest look. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 7, 2023 20:30:33 GMT -5
The easiest way to get avoid Hawk no selling a piledrivet spot is not to do one. Stupid as it is, it's been part of his gimmick since the early 80s, Kane wasn't some rookie, he likely knew what the deal is going in to the match so getting pissed over it is like getting pissed at a Samoan for no selling headbutts or Taker for sitting up after being hit with big moves. Don't want him to do the spot? Don't hit the move.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 7, 2023 20:36:12 GMT -5
The easiest way to get avoid Hawk no selling a piledrivet spot is not to do one. Stupid as it is, it's been part of his gimmick since the early 80s, Kane wasn't some rookie, he likely knew what the deal is going in to the match so getting pissed over it is like getting pissed at a Samoan for no selling headbutts or Taker for sitting up after being hit with big moves. Don't want him to do the spot? Don't hit the move. Yeah, he knew Hawk would no-sell that piledriver, that's why he's doing that and not the tombstone on Hawk. |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Feb 8, 2023 12:39:14 GMT -5
The easiest way to get avoid Hawk no selling a piledrivet spot is not to do one. Stupid as it is, it's been part of his gimmick since the early 80s, Kane wasn't some rookie, he likely knew what the deal is going in to the match so getting pissed over it is like getting pissed at a Samoan for no selling headbutts or Taker for sitting up after being hit with big moves. Don't want him to do the spot? Don't hit the move. Yeah, he knew Hawk would no-sell that piledriver, that's why he's doing that and not the tombstone on Hawk. Kayfabe, how is the impact of the Tombstone different than the impact of a regular piledriver, given by the same person? I know, it's Kane and Undertaker and assigning kayfebe to them comes with "because it's Kane and Undertaker." But I was curious, because Hawk sold the Tombstone (granted it was right after a chokeslam). |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 8, 2023 13:01:59 GMT -5
Yeah, he knew Hawk would no-sell that piledriver, that's why he's doing that and not the tombstone on Hawk. Kayfabe, how is the impact of the Tombstone different than the impact of a regular piledriver, given by the same person? I know, it's Kane and Undertaker and assigning kayfebe to them comes with "because it's Kane and Undertaker." But I was curious, because Hawk sold the Tombstone (granted it was right after a chokeslam). I do not know when it began, but the tombstone piledriver was seen as inherently more dangerous in kayfabe even before those two used it. Luchadors in Mexico, for instance, are forbidden from performing it... but of course, they still do behind the ref's back from time to time.  |
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Post by Stu on Feb 8, 2023 14:57:04 GMT -5
Remind me if time constraints played a role in Cena no-selling the DDT on concrete. Either way, I get why people dislike the end-result.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Feb 8, 2023 15:36:58 GMT -5
Ric Flair vs aging, it's pretty much the longest running no sell in history.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 8, 2023 15:39:45 GMT -5
Randy Savage waking Hogan up with the flying elbow drop. Savage lost like a dozen matches in 1989-90 after Hogan hulked up following the elbow drop. It’s kinda funny that he’d be like “Hey - I got an idea!! It’s worked every other time I’ve tried it”. It was silly spot, but there was logic to it. You could actually see the wheels turning in Savage's head |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 8, 2023 16:43:42 GMT -5
Ric Flair vs aging, it's pretty much the longest running no sell in history. Flair v. death, maybe. Living through multiple organ failure after like, 50+ years of alcoholism and continuing to drink is about as swaggy as it gets, but he very much looks his age. |
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 8, 2023 19:25:55 GMT -5
Is there a storyline reason why Sting no sells this? I honestly don't know. I just remembered seeing this gif before  |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 9, 2023 9:41:35 GMT -5
Is there a storyline reason why Sting no sells this? I honestly don't know. I just remembered seeing this gif before Sting like Hogan had that Hulk Up spot where he'd get a shot of adrenaline after a move, and there would be no pain. It makes sense for him to do that, especially against Flair as Flair has his back turned taunting. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 9, 2023 11:11:32 GMT -5
Hawk must've really hated Kane. Cause that's not the first time he did that against him. That was a standard spot Hawk did in his prime though. It mightve been drug induced muscle memory for him. |
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