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Post by eJm on Jan 25, 2023 18:21:46 GMT -5
Some time in the future, long after Bischoff is gone, he will be remembered as the guy who revolutionized the US wrestling industry with the nWo and the guy who really took it to Vince. But, at the same time, he will be remembered as a guy who made a lot of bad decisions because he seemed to think that all of his plans would work as well as the nWo. This seems like a fair analysis. He was given the world, almost pulled off the objective and then stumbled when the chips were really down. But the real analysis is down here:
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 25, 2023 18:23:06 GMT -5
Prolific slut
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 25, 2023 18:33:23 GMT -5
Guy who made every older woman in yr family say things you didn't wanna hear especially when his hair was silver oh good god dude
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Post by Andee9001 on Jan 25, 2023 18:37:27 GMT -5
Fine interviewer and decent but nothing special commentator.
Successful for about 3 years as booker.
Helped build WCW up but also helped tear it down.
Great onscreen character in the WWE.
Ruined TNAs momentum.
Allegedly stole all his good ideas from Mike Graham. This seemingly includes his gimmick of telling everyone who is and isn't a draw.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jan 25, 2023 20:25:23 GMT -5
^ You mention younger guys...such as?
As far as Bischoff replicating it, I mean that's not really fair... considering that no one else has been able to either. Why should he have to prove himself twice when everyone other than WWE haven't proven themselves once?
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Post by sfvega on Jan 25, 2023 22:07:49 GMT -5
I disagree with this so much. This sounds like something Mike Graham would say. There had been plenty of people who had run the ship of WCW, and none of them were successful. They all had their vision and their assumptions about what worked, and they all failed because most of them were still stuck in the 70's and 80's as far as booking goes. I don't see anyone making the moves that Bischoff did. I see what you're trying to say, but still generally disagree. No, I don't think someone like Ole Anderson would've been able to do the same as Bischoff did. However, I think any number of younger, motivated, and creative people would have. None of the assorted people who had run WCW prior to this had the television time slot and the open checkbook to truly compete with McMahon. Bischoff was the only one who was given those things to work with. Spend Ted Turner's money to sign a bunch of high priced guys who used to be WWE headliners, especially Hogan, and use a new live television program that Turner gifted them to make it a reality. Then fill out the undercard with the best top flight workers from around the world, also spending Turner's money. Not a difficult formula for really anyone to make work.
And the fact that, other than those few years, Bischoff has never been able to produce even close to similar results anywhere else he has worked in wrestling, kinda supports that. He was right place, right time, right billionaire handing him the tools.
Which is just a crock of shit. This is the problem with the revisionist history on Bischoff is that it overcorrects like CRAZY. Just as much as Eric is the main reason for the downfall (overspending, oblivious to wrestling bubble bursting, let the inmates run the asylum), he's also a big reason for the rise. He parlayed Hogan and a checkbook into the next wrestling boom period, which anyone could have done and everyone expected looking at WCW and Hulk Hogan individually in 1993.... Hogan was a big star, but as we all saw in 95, the people were very bored with him. Vince wanted Savage as an announcer. The Giant almost went to WWF to start. Goldberg almost went to WWF to start. Anyone could have made these into the right move, except the industry leader who also shockingly wasn't batting 1.000 The timing with Hogan and eventually Hall and Nash was serendipitous, but Vince had 2/3rds of that and was putting up all-time low PPV buys and gates in 95. WCW had more realism than WWF. They went live. They were better in the ring than WWF. They expanded PPVs. They went to the Mall of America, to shows on beaches, to shows in biker rallies, to Nitro in a ring surrounded by a pool with a bar in the background and a helicopter hovering over it. They got Dennis Rodman during the NBA Finals. He sold himself to the suits at Turner just as well as he sold the product to fans at the time. Bischoff promoted well to begin with. He never had the same success, but you can't insult his successes as much as his failures without giving away a bias. He was the #1 reason WCW failed, but he was also a top reason why they were on even footing. It reminds me a bit of basketball fans and Russell Westbrook. People have gotten so used to shitting on him that you'd believe that he was never any good at all. And neither of their achievements are subjective. They're clear in black and white.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 25, 2023 22:34:10 GMT -5
Some time in the future, long after Bischoff is gone, he will be remembered as the guy who revolutionized the US wrestling industry with the nWo and the guy who really took it to Vince. But, at the same time, he will be remembered as a guy who made a lot of bad decisions because he seemed to think that all of his plans would work as well as the nWo. I mean most of his plans were "let's just do the NWO again"
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 26, 2023 0:37:56 GMT -5
A divisive figure, with many successes and many failures. He's also someone who has appeared in WCW, WWE, TNA, AEW, and probably other stuff I've forgotten, so he's a pretty notable onscreen figure, too.
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Post by eJm on Jan 26, 2023 0:46:33 GMT -5
Honestly, his TNA run was a much worse crime in terms to bash him over.
Like, he and Hogan went into a company that was just getting head above water in terms of having a strong roster top to bottom, the X-Division meaning something again, younger stars coming up and decided “Yeah, sure, we’ll just try and convert all this to a worse version of Nitro, get us creamed by Raw on a repeat and then spend a f***tonne of money we don’t have to do stadium shows”.
The only comparison you could make to pro wrestling in the 90s was how the UK was basically the one thing keeping them afloat for a time like the WWF.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 26, 2023 1:03:27 GMT -5
Guitar Fraud
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 26, 2023 1:07:58 GMT -5
Guy who keeps RD Reynolds too ashamed to ever try to strongarm his way in to FAN with majority Basketball stocks
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 26, 2023 1:09:13 GMT -5
Generally a character of ill repute. Killed Kiyoshi. Seriously TNA actually sorta liked dude before and then he just vanished after Jan 4 2010. Brother day.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 26, 2023 3:33:04 GMT -5
Generally a character of ill repute. Killed Kiyoshi. Seriously TNA actually sorta liked dude before and then he just vanished after Jan 4 2010. Brother day. They needed room for Garrett.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 26, 2023 9:04:24 GMT -5
The only man in recorded history to be held hostage by a bird
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 26, 2023 9:22:37 GMT -5
The baddest man of all the Wild Hogs
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 26, 2023 14:27:55 GMT -5
Bischoff is a guy who almost toppled an empire but let success go to his head and did millions of paper cuts that signaled the end of WCW.
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Post by Red Mage Riot on Jan 26, 2023 14:32:25 GMT -5
Bischoff is a guy who almost toppled an empire but let success go to his head and did millions of paper cuts that signaled the end of WCW. Yep, ultimately, I think he'll go down as pro wrestling's Icarus(and no, not the Chikara guy). He ALMOST made it all the way to the top, but his hubris sent him crashing down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 16:47:08 GMT -5
One of the best promoters in the industry.
And the best GM in WWE history.
Thats how I remember him.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 26, 2023 21:01:16 GMT -5
A guy that was very good at one specific moment in time where all the pieces could be put together perfectly.
If he couldn't throw Ted's money around.
If WCW fans didn't completely reject Hogan.
Or if Hogan didn't want to play ball with the nwo
He probably wouldn't be remembered as anything other than one of the 20 Bosses WCW had
He also didn't know when or how to end his big idea... And whenever was put in actual charge elsewhere fell back on sign a bunch of older stars to big contacts on other peoples dime and do the nwo again
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 27, 2023 1:33:38 GMT -5
Bischoff is a guy who almost toppled an empire but let success go to his head and did millions of paper cuts that signaled the end of WCW. Yep, ultimately, I think he'll go down as pro wrestling's Icarus(and no, not the Chikara guy). He ALMOST made it all the way to the top, but his hubris sent him crashing down. I'd call it a mix of hubris and building the house of WCW on a crumbling foundation. The catastrophic mistakes that got Jim Crockett to sell in the first place also meant that basically every person who ended up in charge came in inheriting huge debts and shaky contracts. A lot of that was going to screw Eric in the end, but he did himself no favors with vain moves.
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