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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 31, 2023 17:24:01 GMT -5
Like so many things, they've waited past the point of people caring. You don't even watch the product anymore by your own self-boycott months ago, so it's kind of weird that you think you know what people care about in the company, and know the "many things" that AEW's waited too long on that people definitely won't care about You were extremely apathetic about Athena and essentially said her career in AEW was over, and now everyone loves her gimmick and what she's doing, and she is now the ROH Women's Champion. Funny how things don't always turn into a negative despite how much you want them to. If Garcia goes face and it's against Guevara on the onset, don't be shocked if it gets a big crowd pop, but Garcia as a heel has been doing just fine since staying with JAS. He even still gets "You're a wrestler!" chants, crowd hasn't just given up on him, whatsoever, and it annoys me when people are so pretentious about it because they, personally, have given up on him, it doesn't always translate to the general public, if ever.
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Post by ppl591 on Jan 31, 2023 17:54:58 GMT -5
Ever since the turn back to being with Jericho he's seemed to cool off massively. Destroying Sammy will be great but anyone in that role would be great. I don't wanna say they blew it but it definitely feels like the story has gone on a bit too long
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Post by Hurbster on Jan 31, 2023 17:58:53 GMT -5
He could have been something. Shame, really. He's f***ing 24, can we stop acting like his career is over or something? Dude's been absolutely fine in AEW since. And here we go...
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 31, 2023 18:14:20 GMT -5
If Garcia goes face and it's against Guevara on the onset, don't be shocked if it gets a big crowd pop, but Garcia as a heel has been doing just fine since staying with JAS. He even still gets "You're a wrestler!" chants, crowd hasn't just given up on him, whatsoever, and it annoys me when people are so pretentious about it because they, personally, have given up on him, it doesn't always translate to the general public, if ever. Sorry dude, but you do literally the EXACT same thing you're complaining about ALL the time, just not with AEW. You do not give a damn if someone is still over with the crowd, if something you don't like happens you'll be using terms like buried or dead in the water and saying you're done with the wrestler. Whenever someone does this with anything AEW related though you seem to take it personally. You can be cursing and steaming mad through entire WWE show threads but if someone is even half as negative during an AEW thread you'll reply about how negative they're being. Fair enough if you have a natural preference/bias for AEW, we all have our own, but you can't be talking down to people about their fairly mild takes and opinions and calling them annoying and pretentious when you go way stronger the other way all the time.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jan 31, 2023 18:34:56 GMT -5
He's f***ing 24, can we stop acting like his career is over or something? Dude's been absolutely fine in AEW since. And here we go... I actually agree with cjb, here. I don’t think “24-year-old’s career hasn’t been ruined by moderately questionable booking” is an unreasonably biased AEW homer take at all.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 31, 2023 18:37:53 GMT -5
I actually agree with cjb, here. I don’t think “24-year-old’s career hasn’t been ruined by moderately questionable booking” is an unreasonably biased AEW homer take at all. Same here. While I'm meh on him atm that doesn't mean there won't be a time later when he's interesting to me again.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 31, 2023 18:48:02 GMT -5
If Garcia goes face and it's against Guevara on the onset, don't be shocked if it gets a big crowd pop, but Garcia as a heel has been doing just fine since staying with JAS. He even still gets "You're a wrestler!" chants, crowd hasn't just given up on him, whatsoever, and it annoys me when people are so pretentious about it because they, personally, have given up on him, it doesn't always translate to the general public, if ever. Sorry dude, but you do literally the EXACT same thing you're complaining about ALL the time, just not with AEW. You do not give a damn if someone is still over with the crowd, if something you don't like happens you'll be using terms like buried or dead in the water and saying you're done with the wrestler. Whenever someone does this with anything AEW related though you seem to take it personally. You can be cursing and steaming mad through entire WWE show threads but if someone is even half as negative during an AEW thread you'll reply about how negative they're being. Fair enough if you have a natural preference/bias for AEW, we all have our own, but you can't be talking down to people about their fairly mild takes and opinions and calling them annoying and pretentious when you go way stronger the other way all the time. There's a big difference between me giving a hot take on if I think an angle is going to hurt someone's career, right or wrong, and someone saying something is going to fail when they haven't watched the product in months I watch what I comment on, whether it's positive or negative when I give a take on it, I wouldn't care if the user above who I quoted, hadn't watched AEW in months and was still very negative on anything going on about it, despite not watching it anymore. I find that just a tad ass backwards, and I would for people watching WWE too. And I reply when I feel there's something I can add to a conversation, positive or negative, if I think there's a counterpoint to something, I'll comment it, if I think there's something good happening, I'll say it's good, same with bad, but I'm also WATCHING THE PRODUCT to give you that opinion. I do think it's pretentious and annoying, when someone who isn't watching the product, calls something shit or bad, just as I find it annoying when I'm apparently the problem for doing so, forgive me if I think being pegged as an "AEW Homer" is bullshit when I call someone out for not even watching the show to make a take on it, it's a tad exhausting to be made out as the bad guy here. It'd be just as annoying if someone said a WWE angle or gimmick sucked and they haven't watched the show to see it progress or how crowds react, etc. I have said storylines suck or the gimmick isn't working but I do not give up on wrestlers unless there are extreme circumstances, like Nia Jax, and in those cases, I'm not alone. Most I will say is they might need a change of scenery or gimmick. If I don't like it, I also don't say anyone else doesn't like it, or the crowd isn't into it or them. Sometimes I've heard crowds a bit wrong, that's probably on my TV Audio more than me trying to spin a narrative, I comment how I see or hear things, not trying to spin a narrative. And I have been positive in WWE threads, especially recently, I've even been rating shows higher, I don't agree with everything HHH does, but I also don't hate everything I f***ing see and love every single thing I see from AEW. I'm tired of words being put in my mouth on this, I've defended shit I've thought worked, sure, but I'm not some blind worshipper, and the sooner people stop trying to label me as such, we can have actual conversations instead of seeing the need to derail threads like this.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 31, 2023 18:53:57 GMT -5
I actually agree with cjb, here. I don’t think “24-year-old’s career hasn’t been ruined by moderately questionable booking” is an unreasonably biased AEW homer take at all. Same here. While I'm meh on him atm that doesn't mean there won't be a time later when he's interesting to me again. Honestly, thank you guys. This means a lot to me, because sometimes I feel like I get very unfairly treated here just for enjoying a product more than others, and am willing to go to bat for a wrestler who isn't even close to the prime of his career yet. Giving up on a 24 year old is crazy, to me, personally. Imagine the wrestlers who were 24 and stuck with a dumb gimmick or didn't quite have a storyline go the way they wanted, and people just went "That's it, they had something and it's over", how many wrestlers we simply wouldn't have to day, if that was actually the case? Garcia's not a lost cause and he's not lost with the crowds, hell he just main evented a Rampage, and his dynamic with Guevara treating him like his son has actually been pretty entertaining, he didn't turn face at one point in an angle... doesn't mean there still isn't promise with Daniel Garcia and they still can't do good things with him, and get that face pop they inevitably would want, dude's talented enough to make shit work and has proven it, I just think peeps are being way too harsh, and I'd find it harsh if it was across any promotion, you can't just scrap a dude's career or trajectory because something didn't happen the exact way you want imo, you just gotta ride the wave sometimes.
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Post by markymark on Jan 31, 2023 22:24:47 GMT -5
Like so many things, they've waited past the point of people caring. You don't even watch the product anymore by your own self-boycott months ago, so it's kind of weird that you think you know what people care about in the company, and know the "many things" that AEW's waited too long on that people definitely won't care about You were extremely apathetic about Athena and essentially said her career in AEW was over, and now everyone loves her gimmick and what she's doing, and she is now the ROH Women's Champion. Funny how things don't always turn into a negative despite how much you want them to. If Garcia goes face and it's against Guevara on the onset, don't be shocked if it gets a big crowd pop, but Garcia as a heel has been doing just fine since staying with JAS. He even still gets "You're a wrestler!" chants, crowd hasn't just given up on him, whatsoever, and it annoys me when people are so pretentious about it because they, personally, have given up on him, it doesn't always translate to the general public, if ever.
If anything it proves that AEW has to continue putting great shows in order to bring back fans who gave up on the product last year
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 31, 2023 23:12:47 GMT -5
You don't even watch the product anymore by your own self-boycott months ago, so it's kind of weird that you think you know what people care about in the company, and know the "many things" that AEW's waited too long on that people definitely won't care about You were extremely apathetic about Athena and essentially said her career in AEW was over, and now everyone loves her gimmick and what she's doing, and she is now the ROH Women's Champion. Funny how things don't always turn into a negative despite how much you want them to. If Garcia goes face and it's against Guevara on the onset, don't be shocked if it gets a big crowd pop, but Garcia as a heel has been doing just fine since staying with JAS. He even still gets "You're a wrestler!" chants, crowd hasn't just given up on him, whatsoever, and it annoys me when people are so pretentious about it because they, personally, have given up on him, it doesn't always translate to the general public, if ever.
If anything it proves that AEW has to continue putting great shows in order to bring back fans who gave up on the product last year
That depends tbh, a lot of fans have come back, they're getting a million or close to a million again Some people are gonna believe and feel how they wanna feel. Like the reason chrom quit watching AEW was because Guevara main evented on the day his Andrade controversy came out. Later it came out that Guevara was the one assaulted by Andrade, when during the day and even the process of the show, reports were claiming Guevara was the major instigator, making it seem like he was being rewarded for it. This was proven false in the end, on all grounds, and Andrade started the fight to try and get out of AEW, we all know this now. Despite all of that, chrom still boycotted AEW and hasn't watched since, so... yeah, I am not going to really look at their example as a means to AEW needing to "step their game up", feels like they had a bunch of issues with AEW and used that as an out, even when it was proven to be incorrect, and when they continue to ream AEW for things without having kept up with the product, simply expecting things to be the same, and get told by several users that things have changed and it's not the case anymore... and they simply get ignored for the continued narrative that AEW is in a bad way or whatever, it's just not a good look imo. So yeah, keep on keeping on so more people tune in, but some people might not be worth trying to impress, you just gotta keep doing you, you can't please everyone.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 31, 2023 23:17:13 GMT -5
I'm not writing off Garcia forever or anything myself - though that said I am quite sick of how often, "Oh, but he's young!" is used as a handwave for when things in AEW just aren't working, as though whether someone is going to be good in five years or not makes up for TV with them in the here and now being shit - but at least as things stand I didn't care about him before the Bryan story and I don't care about him now.
Maybe that'll change as he finds his footing or something, I dunno. But if they started a buildup to him and Jericho feuding tomorrow I wouldn't be all, "Wow, cool, can't wait!" on it, my feelings would be, "Oh, Jericho's feuding with that guy in his team who's the most watchable of them but has no personality and had his momentum wrecked last year, can't wait for this feud to drag on for eight months like all Jericho feuds." And sure, crowd probably would pop if he attacked Sammy Guevara but I don't want to see him face Guevara because I don't want to see Guevara period. You're not going to get me invested in the guy by having him fight someone I don't watch to watch because he's a shit person and shit wrestler.
Garcia might well make me invested in him again down the line but in the here and now it's not happening.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 31, 2023 23:23:44 GMT -5
I'm not writing off Garcia forever or anything myself - though that said I am quite sick of how often, "Oh, but he's young!" is used as a handwave for when things in AEW just aren't working, as though whether someone is going to be good in five years or not makes up for TV with them in the here and now being shit - but at least as things stand I didn't care about him before the Bryan story and I don't care about him now. Maybe that'll change as he finds his footing or something, I dunno. But if they started a buildup to him and Jericho feuding tomorrow I wouldn't be all, "Wow, cool, can't wait!" on it, my feelings would be, "Oh, Jericho's feuding with that guy in his team who's the most watchable of them but has no personality and had his momentum wrecked last year, can't wait for this feud to drag on for eight months like all Jericho feuds." Garcia might well make me invested in him again down the line but in the here and now it's not happening. I feel like the natural progression of this is Garcia eventually turns on Sammy and evens the odds more in the feud with Ricky/Andretti, if it happens during this feud anyway, it's been building pretty decently I also don't agree that Garcia doesn't have any personality. Dude's a good cocky heel, his line to Andretti where he said "I was young and dumb like you, once" when he's YOUNGER than Andretti is was hilarious, and Guevara treating Garcia like he's his son when they are like 5 years apart I think is good, good way to build up Garcia getting annoyed by having to wear leather pants and listen to Sammy like he's some elder statesman I feel like he had momentum to turn, but in the end, BCC has become a more segmented group with Regal leaving. Would it have actually worked out for him? He kinda has a point that sticking with JAS worked out for him because the unit is still close, and tight knit. The group's gonna find reasons for him to push out, and I think a point made earlier in the thread sums it up well, Garcia turning face now I feel would make more sense, because two factions have tried to keep his favor, and ultimately might fail in doing so, resulting in him trying to become his own man and forge his own path. This is where age is essentially on his side if he stays healthy. Inevitably, a Jericho feud would do him very well running through Guevara first, and if Jericho's mission this year is gonna be to put over younger talent like he already has with Starks and Andretti, Garcia would be another good candidate for that, and I hope it happens.
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Post by markymark on Feb 1, 2023 9:34:23 GMT -5
I'm not writing off Garcia forever or anything myself - though that said I am quite sick of how often, "Oh, but he's young!" is used as a handwave for when things in AEW just aren't working, as though whether someone is going to be good in five years or not makes up for TV with them in the here and now being shit - but at least as things stand I didn't care about him before the Bryan story and I don't care about him now. Maybe that'll change as he finds his footing or something, I dunno. But if they started a buildup to him and Jericho feuding tomorrow I wouldn't be all, "Wow, cool, can't wait!" on it, my feelings would be, "Oh, Jericho's feuding with that guy in his team who's the most watchable of them but has no personality and had his momentum wrecked last year, can't wait for this feud to drag on for eight months like all Jericho feuds." And sure, crowd probably would pop if he attacked Sammy Guevara but I don't want to see him face Guevara because I don't want to see Guevara period. You're not going to get me invested in the guy by having him fight someone I don't watch to watch because he's a shit person and shit wrestler. Garcia might well make me invested in him again down the line but in the here and now it's not happening.
I will never understand why there are people who claim this when Jericho feud with Scorpio and Ethan lasted 2 months before feuding with Eddie/BCC.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 1, 2023 9:55:24 GMT -5
I think they've been stop and start with the guy and he's proven to be a good cocky heel, so I don't see the need to do it now. Maybe eventually, but not now.
That said, they definitely had something with the whole "will he join BCC or not" angle and didn't really capitalize. I assume it's because they knew backstage that maybe BCC wasn't going to be a forever thing, but they definitely missed the boat on it at the time. Garcia's fine now, though.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 1, 2023 10:01:51 GMT -5
I'm not writing off Garcia forever or anything myself - though that said I am quite sick of how often, "Oh, but he's young!" is used as a handwave for when things in AEW just aren't working, as though whether someone is going to be good in five years or not makes up for TV with them in the here and now being shit - but at least as things stand I didn't care about him before the Bryan story and I don't care about him now. Maybe that'll change as he finds his footing or something, I dunno. But if they started a buildup to him and Jericho feuding tomorrow I wouldn't be all, "Wow, cool, can't wait!" on it, my feelings would be, "Oh, Jericho's feuding with that guy in his team who's the most watchable of them but has no personality and had his momentum wrecked last year, can't wait for this feud to drag on for eight months like all Jericho feuds." And sure, crowd probably would pop if he attacked Sammy Guevara but I don't want to see him face Guevara because I don't want to see Guevara period. You're not going to get me invested in the guy by having him fight someone I don't watch to watch because he's a shit person and shit wrestler. Garcia might well make me invested in him again down the line but in the here and now it's not happening.
I will never understand why there are people who claim this when Jericho feud with Scorpio and Ethan lasted 2 months before feuding with Eddie/BCC.
I assume he didn’t literally mean “all” Jericho feuds, it’s just some hyperbole. As it relates to Garcia, the moment of it being a hot angle for him to turn has passed. Doesn’t mean they can’t get it back to that level, but right now it’s ice cold to me.
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Post by pinja on Feb 1, 2023 10:29:00 GMT -5
Garcia's face and energy give me strong Fandango vibes so when he starts dancing over a chloroformed Sammy, he'll be the new face of the company.
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Post by neilc on Feb 2, 2023 0:43:34 GMT -5
If he destroys Sammy, any missteps or mistakes will be forgiven and he'll be the biggest face in AEW in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 2:52:21 GMT -5
maybe? maybe not? can’t say I care about the guy at all rn
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 2, 2023 5:54:34 GMT -5
I would like to see Garcia turn the tables on Sammy. Show him appreciate Sammy and his mentoring and be real obnoxious about it. Before you know it Sammy is as exasperated with Garcia as Garcia currently is with him. Where you go from there takes a more creative mind than mine.
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Post by Dang! on Feb 2, 2023 11:59:37 GMT -5
About as invested as I would be for a Big Show turn. He and Sammy are the local men of JAS. I acutally can't keep track of their constant turns.
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