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Post by J is Justice on Feb 1, 2023 19:57:29 GMT -5
I wish I could see whatever it is everyone else sees in Ford because from where I'm sitting really all I've ever seen is someone who has an incredibly irritating character and, while he's definitely got some hops, seems to give no shits whatsoever about protecting his opponents in doing so and they don't translate to actually putting on matches that are at all remarkable. Can't really claim to at all care about Dawkins either but if I had to pick one of them I'm higher on it's him just because at least with him there isn't the constant fear he's going to cripple someone. Has he hurt a lot of guys? He's hurt my ears.
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Post by ppl591 on Feb 1, 2023 23:10:34 GMT -5
Just a thought. What if they decided to do the 2 titles matches at mania for Roman. And have a 6 man at this show. Owens, zayn and rhodes vs Jimmy, solo and Roman. Give the hometown Boys the win without affecting the title. Not saying it'd be better than sami vs Roman but an idea
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 1, 2023 23:12:26 GMT -5
Just a thought. What if they decided to do the 2 titles matches at mania for Roman. And have a 6 man at this show. Owens, zayn and rhodes vs Jimmy, solo and Roman. Give the hometown Boys the win without affecting the title. Not saying it'd be better than sami vs Roman but an idea Do have to say that while ordinarily I think WWE is waaaay too protective of the Bloodline and that Roman losing tag matches and shit wouldn't kill him, in this particular case it would be really weird for the faces to get a big one-up on him a month before Mania. Plus the show's in Canada, Jimmy's not going to be there anyway.
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Post by Doo Doo is Worse Than WCW 2000 on Feb 1, 2023 23:13:08 GMT -5
Has he hurt a lot of guys? He's hurt my ears. He needs a character change, for sure.
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Post by gl83 on Feb 3, 2023 8:48:23 GMT -5
I hope both street prophets guys get in. Angelo has improved so much and deserves a shot. If you mention “a guy who’s consistently improved (when he wouldn’t necessarily have to)”. Its Dawkins. But I’d think DP has to be a shoe-in. If both Street Profits guys get in, awesome, cause I’m all aboard the “you need to start doing something different with these guys” mentality. Angelo Dawkins could make it in on account of Edge continuously screwing Judgement Day over. But, other than that, I can’t see him going over Priest.
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Post by mistery on Feb 3, 2023 9:45:56 GMT -5
Congrats to Asuka, because barring any sort of last minute surprises, will likely win the Chamber match. Smackdown tonight has a fatal four way qualifying match. Natalya vs Shotzi vs Shayna vs Zelina.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 3, 2023 10:28:18 GMT -5
Congrats to Asuka, because barring any sort of last minute surprises, will likely win the Chamber match. Smackdown tonight has a fatal four way qualifying match. Natalya vs Shotzi vs Shayna vs Zelina. I’d say Raquel and Liv have an outside shot as well, with a long shot being Piper.
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Post by mistery on Feb 3, 2023 10:38:18 GMT -5
Congrats to Asuka, because barring any sort of last minute surprises, will likely win the Chamber match. Smackdown tonight has a fatal four way qualifying match. Natalya vs Shotzi vs Shayna vs Zelina. I’d say Raquel and Liv have an outside shot as well, with a long shot being Piper. I'd say Raquel and Liv don't stand much of a chance, to be honest. WWE has been trying for the better part of a year or two to try and get Raquel over and it's not working. They just need to come to grips with the reality that she is better as a heavy for a heel, and not a central focus of the division. And then in the case of Liv, she had a title run earlier last year and it fell apart pretty damn quickly after her Shayna feud. I doubt they are going to give her another title this soon. Piper is an interesting one, because they did drop the Doudrop name. However at the same time, Bianca has beaten her like 12,347 times over the past couple of years, so there would be absolutely no heat in the feud. Meanwhile Asuka is back with a new character, and is by far the hottest act on the women's roster right now, only really behind the Bloodline stuff in general as well. If WWE wants to make her a huge deal again, they need to strike while the iron is hot for once, and have her win the Chamber and the title.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 3, 2023 11:07:17 GMT -5
I’d say Raquel and Liv have an outside shot as well, with a long shot being Piper. I'd say Raquel and Liv don't stand much of a chance, to be honest. WWE has been trying for the better part of a year or two to try and get Raquel over and it's not working. They just need to come to grips with the reality that she is better as a heavy for a heel, and not a central focus of the division. And then in the case of Liv, she had a title run earlier last year and it fell apart pretty damn quickly after her Shayna feud. I doubt they are going to give her another title this soon. Piper is an interesting one, because they did drop the Doudrop name. However at the same time, Bianca has beaten her like 12,347 times over the past couple of years, so there would be absolutely no heat in the feud. Meanwhile Asuka is back with a new character, and is by far the hottest act on the women's roster right now, only really behind the Bloodline stuff in general as well. If WWE wants to make her a huge deal again, they need to strike while the iron is hot for once, and have her win the Chamber and the title. I agree on Asuka I just don’t think it’s a slam dunk yet. I also don’t think Bianca losing is guaranteed either.
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Post by J is Justice on Feb 3, 2023 13:39:04 GMT -5
Hopefully, Liv gets another good showing at least.
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Post by mj0mn0m on Feb 3, 2023 14:22:43 GMT -5
Hopefully, Liv gets another good showing at least. The moment when Hunter realized he's gonna make Liv main event WrestleMania one way or another. 😎
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Feb 4, 2023 13:46:44 GMT -5
Hopefully, Liv gets another good showing at least. I could see them doing the same thing they did at the Rumble(her being 1 of the first 2 to start & making it to the end, falling just short).
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 4, 2023 13:50:51 GMT -5
That line-up kinda looks like it's set-up for Asuka to dominate and cement her as a huge threat to Bianca. If that's the case I hope it's more exciting than Shayna dominating the 2020 chamber because that was brutal to watch and the crowd was dead. Asuka is way more over than Shayna was though so hopefully not.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 4, 2023 16:57:03 GMT -5
Hopefully, Liv gets another good showing at least. I could see them doing the same thing they did at the Rumble(her being 1 of the first 2 to start & making it to the end, falling just short). Only thing is for that story to work you need a strong heel character like Rhea to be the one she comes up short against. This match doesn't have that as all they have for heels are Nikki and I'm assuming Carmella. Neither have been booked as major threats. I see it more likely Raquel steamrolls Liv, Nikki, Natalya, and Carmella but then gets stopped by Asuka. Seems like they always book Raquel really strong in matches like this such as those #1 Contender Gauntlet Matches they've done Smackdown over the last several months where she eliminates a ton of people and then either wins or comes up short.
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Post by msc on Feb 4, 2023 17:06:51 GMT -5
Liv's in a spot where she's not in the title picture at the moment but they want to keep her bubbling over, hence a long Rumble spot and likely a showcase in the Chamber, before she loses.
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Post by mj0mn0m on Feb 5, 2023 6:38:06 GMT -5
"But Natalya didn't last in the Royal Rumble match for one hour and outlast 28 other women. Natalya has not been in the most women's Chamber matches in history. No, that's me. And let me tell you something about the Elimination Chamber. There is nothing fun about that match. I have actually never been in more pain in my whole entire life. But call me crazy, I just live for that feel of that steel against my skin!" - Liv Morgan
She's going to do it! 😜👆 Asuka is the only one that I'm worried about, as she easily lasts to the finale (plus beats monster of the match - Raquel, ike she did Doudrop last year) ...
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Post by mistery on Feb 5, 2023 12:37:51 GMT -5
I could see them doing the same thing they did at the Rumble(her being 1 of the first 2 to start & making it to the end, falling just short). Only thing is for that story to work you need a strong heel character like Rhea to be the one she comes up short against. This match doesn't have that as all they have for heels are Nikki and I'm assuming Carmella. Neither have been booked as major threats. I see it more likely Raquel steamrolls Liv, Nikki, Natalya, and Carmella but then gets stopped by Asuka. Seems like they always book Raquel really strong in matches like this such as those #1 Contender Gauntlet Matches they've done Smackdown over the last several months where she eliminates a ton of people and then either wins or comes up short. The problem here is that Raquel's booking is stronger than her actual audience reactions. No one cares about her. Even Roxanne Perez got a stronger reaction in the Rumble. Triple H just needs to come to the realization that Raquel is never going to be a big star in the company and is better off as a heavy for a heel.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 5, 2023 15:28:54 GMT -5
Only thing is for that story to work you need a strong heel character like Rhea to be the one she comes up short against. This match doesn't have that as all they have for heels are Nikki and I'm assuming Carmella. Neither have been booked as major threats. I see it more likely Raquel steamrolls Liv, Nikki, Natalya, and Carmella but then gets stopped by Asuka. Seems like they always book Raquel really strong in matches like this such as those #1 Contender Gauntlet Matches they've done Smackdown over the last several months where she eliminates a ton of people and then either wins or comes up short. The problem here is that Raquel's booking is stronger than her actual audience reactions. No one cares about her. Even Roxanne Perez got a stronger reaction in the Rumble. Triple H just needs to come to the realization that Raquel is never going to be a big star in the company and is better off as a heavy for a heel. I can understand wanting to try to push her as women who are legit 6'0" tall and can work are incredibly hard to come by. Having a strong giant in the division who also is above average in the ring and can do stuff is a great tool to have. Problem is even though she's bigger then every one else she really doesn't come off as really threatening either. She just doesn't have "IT". As bad as Nia Jax is she does have an aura about her. People react to her and when she's a heel there's a sense of danger to her in that you felt the face women were in trouble. Although granted a lot of that might stem from them actually being danger for real with how dangerous Nia actually was with her constantly legit hurting people.
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Post by r. on Feb 5, 2023 17:16:50 GMT -5
The problem here is that Raquel's booking is stronger than her actual audience reactions. No one cares about her. Even Roxanne Perez got a stronger reaction in the Rumble. Triple H just needs to come to the realization that Raquel is never going to be a big star in the company and is better off as a heavy for a heel. I can understand wanting to try to push her as women who are legit 6'0" tall and can work are incredibly hard to come by. Having a strong giant in the division who also is above average in the ring and can do stuff is a great tool to have. Problem is even though she's bigger then every one else she really doesn't come off as really threatening either. She just doesn't have "IT". As bad as Nia Jax is she does have an aura about her. People react to her and when she's a heel there's a sense of danger to her in that you felt the face women were in trouble. Although granted a lot of that might stem from them actually being danger for real with how dangerous Nia actually was with her constantly legit hurting people. I don't remember if she was any good, what was the name of that super-tall girl on the all-female NXT? (Gameshow era)
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 5, 2023 17:26:01 GMT -5
I can understand wanting to try to push her as women who are legit 6'0" tall and can work are incredibly hard to come by. Having a strong giant in the division who also is above average in the ring and can do stuff is a great tool to have. Problem is even though she's bigger then every one else she really doesn't come off as really threatening either. She just doesn't have "IT". As bad as Nia Jax is she does have an aura about her. People react to her and when she's a heel there's a sense of danger to her in that you felt the face women were in trouble. Although granted a lot of that might stem from them actually being danger for real with how dangerous Nia actually was with her constantly legit hurting people. I don't remember if she was any good, what was the name of that super-tall girl on the all-female NXT? (Gameshow era) I know who you are talking about but I can't remember her name. Apparently she was pretty bad although I never saw her wrestle as she was released before she could even have match. IIRC I think she was like 6'6" or something. I don't know how that would've worked in that I don't really see how anyone could have match with her, with her being so much bigger then everyone else. Sort of similar to why Giant Gonzalez bombed as along with him having no instincts there was nothing anyone could do with him as he was over a foot bigger then even the other tall guys on the roster.
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