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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2023 20:58:33 GMT -5
Statistically, one of Adam Pearce's NWA reigns has to be up there. Alot of NWA reigns after ECW would count. Abyss won the NWA title by DQ because Sting of all people kick his ass too much and he only had it for 2 month too. Samoa Joe's TNA reign also unfortunately kind of sucked.
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Post by r. on Feb 25, 2023 12:05:04 GMT -5
Yes. It's the worse reign ever in the history of not just wrestling but any sport or form of entertainment that has titles, ever.
I thought we moved past clickbait title threads.
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Post by Rave on Feb 25, 2023 17:02:26 GMT -5
Statistically, one of Adam Pearce's NWA reigns has to be up there. Alot of NWA reigns after ECW would count. Abyss won the NWA title by DQ because Sting of all people kick his ass too much and he only had it for 2 month too. Ah, the "NWA title changes hands on a DQ" rule that they got rid of not long after. Looking back, I'm gonna call it a "thank you for letting us ruin your character" reign, as Abyss still had at least some mystique before that miserable feud destroyed it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 17:10:17 GMT -5
Jade may be chirping too now I mean, in some ways, she’s right. Maybe she isn’t an amazing worker, but she’s not getting to at least try and keep up with the top stars of the division. They’re doing her a disservice by not letting her sink or swim. I legit think Jade could be something very special, but you are correct. She needs to be in there having long, competitive matches against the top-tier women workers in AEW like Toni Storm, Shida, etc, because she's starting to plateau and I really do think she can do more.
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Feb 25, 2023 17:41:13 GMT -5
It's not even the worst title reign in present-day AEW (sorry MJF).
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 25, 2023 18:24:42 GMT -5
The fact that she had to basically challenge ANYONE to come and face her, shows how out of ideas they are for her reign.
I am amazed at how badly they bungled The Baddies storyline.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 26, 2023 13:18:23 GMT -5
Yes, it is called the Bloodline. I thought nothing could top the Authority when it comes to shitty booking but they managed. Great character work from Sami Zayn aside the whole reign is a giagantic turd that it is painful to get out of your system.
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Post by DMO- on Feb 26, 2023 13:57:28 GMT -5
I’m a little biased because I very much enjoy Cargill, she’s like a main attraction to me. Special ring gear for ppv matches, entrance that sets her apart, she’s got a special aura to her imo. But I agree that she’s being fumbled right now.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 27, 2023 1:20:06 GMT -5
I think the issue showcases a flaw in that TK's got to get the plan he puts in place down by hook or by crook unless a tragic circumstance changes it. In some cases, it's respectable, but for stuff like Jade and the Death Triangle/HOB feud, it's glaring. Like, I don't think it'd harm her stock if Athena or Red Velvet or someone of that nature scored the upset and you moved her onto, say, the civil war brewing around the women's title or something and gave the TBS title time to rekindle itself. Right now, considering what was going on before she got injured, he's waiting for Statlander but we don't know how close she is to coming back so there needs to be a pivot point here. Hell, have Skye Blue score a rollup upset. Anything at this point. Jade is a draw. She's a face of the franchise for WMD and is promoted everywhere. The title is almost not needed for her to be where she is. We just had a whole discussion about whether pivoting to Sami winning the belt would make sense business wise heading towards a Roman/Cody match at 'Mania and it feels like HHH/Vince/Whoever out of the two's in charge of creative should look to what happens if a champ gets too long in the tooth without a single challenger to potentially win. Yeah, it's pretty clear that once TK has a plan in mind... HE IS NOT CHANGING IT regardless of what happens. It's probably AEW's biggest booking problem. the WWE has done it too... but if someone get's injured they'll usually shift the story to someone else... TK just goes into a holding pattern until he can do what he wanted to do in the first place. This was especially obvious with like the Elite vs. The Undisputed Era... they hovered around the will they or won't they forever as a detriment to everyone... and the only reason it was dropped was because Fish got fired...
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Post by eJm on Feb 27, 2023 1:31:31 GMT -5
I think the issue showcases a flaw in that TK's got to get the plan he puts in place down by hook or by crook unless a tragic circumstance changes it. In some cases, it's respectable, but for stuff like Jade and the Death Triangle/HOB feud, it's glaring. Like, I don't think it'd harm her stock if Athena or Red Velvet or someone of that nature scored the upset and you moved her onto, say, the civil war brewing around the women's title or something and gave the TBS title time to rekindle itself. Right now, considering what was going on before she got injured, he's waiting for Statlander but we don't know how close she is to coming back so there needs to be a pivot point here. Hell, have Skye Blue score a rollup upset. Anything at this point. Jade is a draw. She's a face of the franchise for WMD and is promoted everywhere. The title is almost not needed for her to be where she is. We just had a whole discussion about whether pivoting to Sami winning the belt would make sense business wise heading towards a Roman/Cody match at 'Mania and it feels like HHH/Vince/Whoever out of the two's in charge of creative should look to what happens if a champ gets too long in the tooth without a single challenger to potentially win. Yeah, it's pretty clear that once TK has a plan in mind... HE IS NOT CHANGING IT regardless of what happens. It's probably AEW's biggest booking problem. the WWE has done it too... but if someone get's injured they'll usually shift the story to someone else... TK just goes into a holding pattern until he can do what he wanted to do in the first place. This was especially obvious with like the Elite vs. The Undisputed Era... they hovered around the will they or won't they forever as a detriment to everyone... and the only reason it was dropped was because Fish got fired... WWE only really does it during WrestleMania time usually, like if they’re deadset on a match for there, even if they decide by August, that’s the match come hell or highways so it’s still really annoying but not as bad. And again, nothing wrong with having a plan and sticking to it but as I said before in even the Sami threads, the beauty of pro wrestling is the very easy pivot and how if you’re doing weekly/monthly content, you don’t have to wait until the next season to fix things, you can fix them as they happen or try something else. And really, even having Jade win it back after losing it would add something right now.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 27, 2023 3:30:26 GMT -5
Like Booker T in 08, it was only made so she'd be happy as it's nothing more than a vanity plate to stroke her ego. People at least pretended that they wanted the 24/7 title. You got any evidence for this whatsoever?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 12:50:01 GMT -5
Like Booker T in 08, it was only made so she'd be happy as it's nothing more than a vanity plate to stroke her ego. People at least pretended that they wanted the 24/7 title. You got any evidence for this whatsoever?
I have literally heard nothing negative about Jade or her ego backstage to the point that she actively works with Danielson to be better, so I too would like to hear some evidence on this.
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 27, 2023 12:53:02 GMT -5
I think it was more that TK wanted her to have a belt to carry around to boost her (without having to put the main title on her).
As opposed to it being Jade herself,
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 27, 2023 13:03:54 GMT -5
I think it was more that TK wanted her to have a belt to carry around to boost her (without having to put the main title on her). As opposed to it being Jade herself, An entirely separate accusation which doesn’t needlessly put down a highly successful black woman so happy to discuss it I don't think this is accurate. I think Tony has many faults as a Booker but short of retiring the belt when she loses it I don't see how it makes any sense
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Post by Cyno on Feb 27, 2023 14:44:57 GMT -5
Like Booker T in 08, it was only made so she'd be happy as it's nothing more than a vanity plate to stroke her ego. People at least pretended that they wanted the 24/7 title. You got any evidence for this whatsoever? Source: "I made it up."
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 28, 2023 22:40:01 GMT -5
Network wanted the belt, same as they did the TNT title, and they wanted Jade, same way they would eventually want Darby to have the TNT title after that was created.
Granted, I doubt they needed to twist Tony's arm for either of these things, but it was definitely not to placate her.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 1, 2023 2:41:21 GMT -5
You got any evidence for this whatsoever? Source: "I made it up." On reflection given Jade's gimmick is that she is a conceited and self centred asshole, I think they're just a complete mark
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 1, 2023 2:47:53 GMT -5
On reflection given Jade's gimmick is that she is a conceited and self centred asshole, I think they're just a complete mark I feel like "assume this highly pushed woman is as conceited as her character and relentlessly find evidence of this in her every public statement" is a bit of a recurring Thing across multiple promotions.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 1, 2023 3:04:44 GMT -5
On reflection given Jade's gimmick is that she is a conceited and self centred asshole, I think they're just a complete mark I feel like "assume this highly pushed woman is as conceited as her character and relentlessly find evidence of this in her every public statement" is a bit of a recurring Thing across multiple promotions. People get weird about women's wrestling. It's just something you need to wade through at all times in these conversations and it makes them a nightmare because you get these pockets of like baffling hyperbole that seems like it's coming from a weirdly passionate and personal place.
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Post by Hurbster on Mar 1, 2023 8:11:35 GMT -5
Lot of if, buts and maybes here.
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