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Post by SkullTrauma on Feb 27, 2023 18:57:52 GMT -5
How about John Cena calling Kurt Angle a ham sandwich (what?) I always took this as a kid friendly way of calling Angle a pussy.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 27, 2023 20:21:36 GMT -5
Was Vince technically a face when he dropped the n-bomb to Cena?
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Post by tafkaga on Feb 27, 2023 20:31:22 GMT -5
'95-'96 Hogan and his "Big stinky giant"
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Post by mc74 on Feb 27, 2023 23:13:08 GMT -5
Was Vince technically a face when he dropped the n-bomb to Cena? Nope, this took place at the 2005 Survivor Series. Not too long after he fired JR, so he was a heel during this period.
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Post by 67 more on Feb 28, 2023 3:29:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Cena once made a weird comment about Justin Gabriel that implied he was gay or something. Yep, said he lived an alternative lifestyle
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Post by 67 more on Feb 28, 2023 3:30:57 GMT -5
Two pages in and no mention of "Your name is Finlay and you're a bastard"? I'm disappointed, people. He said cringiest, not most savage.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 28, 2023 3:34:35 GMT -5
'95-'96 Hogan and his "Big stinky giant" He somehow weaved that into the Hulk/Andre Rivalry episode on A&E last week. He finds a line, he sticks with it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 28, 2023 3:50:21 GMT -5
Bayley on Raw in a sit-down interview after suffering a loss to Alexa Bliss in a Kendo Stick match:"I'm not here to put bruises on people's backs, or to send people to the hospital. I'm here to put smiles on people's faces." It seriously made Bayley come off spineless as a face, since she did take a brutal beating before Extreme Rules back in 2017. Yeah... them basically making Bayley an actual child was awful... and almost completely ruined her career... she's recovered somewhat but I find her heel run pretty one note and she's nowhere near where she could have been had they not completely botched her face run. I feel like the general gist was meant to be along the lines of "I'm not out to injure or humiliate my opponents, I want to do things the right way", because as I say, babyfaces are reactive characters that will just wrestle the matches for sport (as nominally intended) if not antagonised by the proactive actions of the heels, but it was just so ham-fisted that it made her sound like she was afraid to wrestle?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 28, 2023 4:00:13 GMT -5
Yeah... them basically making Bayley an actual child was awful... and almost completely ruined her career... she's recovered somewhat but I find her heel run pretty one note and she's nowhere near where she could have been had they not completely botched her face run. I feel like the general gist was meant to be along the lines of "I'm not out to injure or humiliate my opponents, I want to do things the right way", because as I say, babyfaces are reactive characters that will just wrestle the matches for sport (as nominally intended) if not antagonised by the proactive actions of the heels, but it was just so ham-fisted that it made her sound like she was afraid to wrestle? There's also just, like... Initial reluctance to seriously hurt Alexa is fine. Continued reluctance in the face of Alexa repeatedly doing the same to her is just being a moron.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Feb 28, 2023 5:52:04 GMT -5
Another one worth mentioning is The Brood's awful promo after they turned face.
Oh jeez. I only actually saw this for the first time a few weeks ago, after it being mentioned on this board for years. The mocking it gets is truly deserved. Gangrel was bad enough, with his blandness, but Edge trying to be, well, edgy and so f***ing cool with his delivery... Wow.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 28, 2023 6:01:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Cena once made a weird comment about Justin Gabriel that implied he was gay or something. This sounds vaguely familiar.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 28, 2023 6:09:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Cena once made a weird comment about Justin Gabriel that implied he was gay or something. This sounds vaguely familiar. It got WWE in trouble with GLAAD (again) didn't it?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 28, 2023 6:37:32 GMT -5
This sounds vaguely familiar. It got WWE in trouble with GLAAD (again) didn't it? I don't recall it hardly at all, except maybe Cena said or implied Gabriel was bisexual? Or maybe he actually is IRL? I also don't think it was a one time reference, I feel like Gabriel had carry it around for a bit. I'm sure someone here remembers exactly. In these days I was watching mainly to see Bret Hart again.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 28, 2023 7:21:17 GMT -5
I feel like the general gist was meant to be along the lines of "I'm not out to injure or humiliate my opponents, I want to do things the right way", because as I say, babyfaces are reactive characters that will just wrestle the matches for sport (as nominally intended) if not antagonised by the proactive actions of the heels, but it was just so ham-fisted that it made her sound like she was afraid to wrestle? There's also just, like... Initial reluctance to seriously hurt Alexa is fine. Continued reluctance in the face of Alexa repeatedly doing the same to her is just being a moron. I guess their attempted make-good later was Bayley handily beating the shit out of Alexa and Nikki Cross, including in handicap matches, for like their entire feud later. Which, fair enough, but if they really wanted to do that, just have her hit Alexa with a kendo stick a few times if you want that call back. That'd be plenty, people would get what it was about.
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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 28, 2023 9:35:14 GMT -5
Ken Patera saying the Heenan Family beat him like a red-headed stepchild, causing Gene Okerlund to start cracking up, didn't exactly do his face run any favors. Even before that in the debate, he kept repeating himself, which was a shame, because I only really recall two comeback storylines which were Ken and Billy Graham and both fell apart
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 28, 2023 9:45:44 GMT -5
Anything Val Venis ever said.
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Post by tagteammatchplaya on Feb 28, 2023 11:24:35 GMT -5
Nikki A.S.H saying "I almost could have won"
Like "I almost won" ok, you almost won, but "Almost could have won"?, So you weren't even close to winning? lol
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 28, 2023 11:40:07 GMT -5
Another one worth mentioning is The Brood's awful promo after they turned face. That was the only one where I said to myself 'Oh...oh NO!" five seconds into Gangrel talking.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 28, 2023 11:41:51 GMT -5
I feel like the general gist was meant to be along the lines of "I'm not out to injure or humiliate my opponents, I want to do things the right way", because as I say, babyfaces are reactive characters that will just wrestle the matches for sport (as nominally intended) if not antagonised by the proactive actions of the heels, but it was just so ham-fisted that it made her sound like she was afraid to wrestle? There's also just, like... Initial reluctance to seriously hurt Alexa is fine. Continued reluctance in the face of Alexa repeatedly doing the same to her is just being a moron. Yeah... and the only real way the spot worked in the cane match is Bayley gets it and throws it away and wins... or Bayley gets it and Alexa goes into full cowardly heel beg off mode and gets a cheap victory.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 28, 2023 11:45:25 GMT -5
There's also just, like... Initial reluctance to seriously hurt Alexa is fine. Continued reluctance in the face of Alexa repeatedly doing the same to her is just being a moron. Yeah... and the only real way the spot worked in the cane match is Bayley gets it and throws it away and wins... or Bayley gets it and Alexa goes into full cowardly heel beg off mode and gets a cheap victory. Right, having the face lose due to their convictions is something you want to avoid unless you're going to basically immediately turn them heel. You either need to do one of the endings you mention, or maybe losing because she didn't stick to her guns, like swinging the cane lets Alexa take advantage of her losing her cool. Again, tricky to do, but possible, and less damaging than what they did.
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