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Post by Dub H on Mar 7, 2023 10:12:41 GMT -5
After everything that's went down the past year with the company, I think that should serve as an important lesson for Tony Khan. It's time that he stops playing the part of Uncle Tony and starts reigning in his wrestlers. The line in the sand has to be drawn because it's been crossed one too many times. This looks like one he probably puts his foot up MJF ass when the scrum was over Messing with kids is f***ing up the money and that is one of those unwritten rules and lines you don't cross unless it is a plant. Jericho probably told him that was f***ed up and he has done some crazy shit in his career (first one coming to mind is almost getting arrested in Brazil) The brazil one is a really stupid law tho. He basically got arrested for damaging a brazilian flag. I wouldn't put it near the same level
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Post by salz4life on Mar 7, 2023 10:21:48 GMT -5
Saw video of the incident. It goes with his character, but you just can't do that (unless it's a plant obviously). Like someone above said... you do that to the wrong person and the company could get in hot water (even if it was a really innocent water dump). If I were the boss (and thank God I'm not), I'd tell him we can't be doing that again and move on.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Mar 7, 2023 11:20:07 GMT -5
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Y'all are going to make me try and do hard mod shit on my phone because of this.
Stop talking about fellow posters like you have been. I'm willing to overlook a "Dude we get it" post but the piling on and running them down is too much.
Okay. Went back and think I got it all. You may now resume your normal business.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Mar 7, 2023 11:34:30 GMT -5
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Post by pinja on Mar 7, 2023 11:39:50 GMT -5
"Mr. Jeff throws some sort of liquid on a male human of sub-standard height." Sounds like a Cole call.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Mar 7, 2023 11:41:04 GMT -5
I have to admit, I do wish the mama swung at him, as MJF looks like he has a glass jaw.,
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 7, 2023 11:48:18 GMT -5
I have to admit, I do wish the mama swung at him, as MJF looks like he has a glass jaw., I hope for his sake MJF is capable of handling himself in a "real" fight because the way he's going he's going to eventually say or do something offensive to the wrong person at some point and they'll swing at him. Like he's going beyond regular wrestling cheap heat stuff. Throwing alcohol at a child and refusing to show up for meet and greets fans have paid for is stuff that could infuriate people and not in a good TV show way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 12:00:32 GMT -5
I don't think Max is showing sociopathic behavior or anything like that.
I just think he's WAY overthinking himself and his gimmick, and it's making him do dumbf*** things that are damaging to both himself and AEW.
Max has maybe one out of character interview out there, and he states something to the effect of "I'm just a Jewish kid from the city with anxiety".
MJF both wants this spot, this opportunity, this title run, but he's overdoing it in every single facet. He wants to be the mega-heel that will forever be remembered, but he's forgetting that this is pro-wrestling, and heel work has to fit within that space. That's why Swerve is arguably eating his lunch right now in terms of being AEW's best heel.
I think that Max is so damned terrified that he won't live up to the expectations that he's set for himself and the hype that's surrounded him that he's just gone completely off reservation trying to get heat and seem "eeeeeeevil".
It doesn't excuse him, and if I were Tony Khan I'd have fined him the moment he walked through the curtain and told him that another one of those types of incidents puts him on ice, but I don't think the real life MJF is truly some sociopath that believes his own hype. Just the opposite.
HOWEVER... my guy, it's 2023. Kayfabe is dead and it ain't coming back, so maybe start dropping the shtick a little for your own good.
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Post by SneakMan on Mar 7, 2023 12:09:24 GMT -5
I don't think Max is showing sociopathic behavior or anything like that. I just think he's WAY overthinking himself and his gimmick, and it's making him do dumbf*** things that are damaging to both himself and AEW. Max has maybe one out of character interview out there, and he states something to the effect of "I'm just a Jewish kid from city with anxiety". MJF both wants this spot, this opportunity, this title run, but he's overdoing it in every single facet. He wants to be the mega-heel that will forever be remember, but he's forgetting that this is pro-wrestling, and heel work has to fit within that space. That's why Swerve is arguably eating his lunch right now in terms of being AEW's best heel. I think that Max is so damned terrified that he won't live up to the expectations that he's set for himself and the hype that's surrounded him that he's just gone completely off reservation trying to get heat and seeming "eeeeeeevil". It doesn't excuse him, and if I were Tony Khan I'd have fined him the moment he walked through the curtain and told him that another one of those types of incidents puts him on ice, but I don't think the real life MJF is truly some sociopath that believes his own hype. Just the opposite. HOWEVER... my guy, it's 2023. Kayfabe is dead and it ain't coming back, so maybe start dropping the shtick a little for your own good. This is really the long and short of it, I think. I'd said before how scattershot the Danielson feud felt and antics like this sorta tie into that idea. "Anything to get heat" is apparently Max's entire philosophy as a performer; doesn't make him a sociopath or a horrible human being (and frankly I think a lot of the posts insinuating it somehow does are totally off-base, and are from people who want their dislike of the guy to be "objectively" correct) but it does reinforce that the dude badly needs an editor - or in cases where he straight-up crosses a line, someone to firmly tell him "don't do that shit again, it makes the company look bad."
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 7, 2023 12:11:08 GMT -5
I don't think Max is showing sociopathic behavior or anything like that. I just think he's WAY overthinking himself and his gimmick, and it's making him do dumbf*** things that are damaging to both himself and AEW. Max has maybe one out of character interview out there, and he states something to the effect of "I'm just a Jewish kid from city with anxiety". MJF both wants this spot, this opportunity, this title run, but he's overdoing it in every single facet. He wants to be the mega-heel that will forever be remember, but he's forgetting that this is pro-wrestling, and heel work has to fit within that space. That's why Swerve is arguably eating his lunch right now in terms of being AEW's best heel. I think that Max is so damned terrified that he won't live up to the expectations that he's set for himself and the hype that's surrounded him that he's just gone completely off reservation trying to get heat and seeming "eeeeeeevil". It doesn't excuse him, and if I were Tony Khan I'd have fined him the moment he walked through the curtain and told him that another one of those types of incidents puts him on ice, but I don't think the real life MJF is truly some sociopath that believes his own hype. Just the opposite. HOWEVER... my guy, it's 2023. Kayfabe is dead and it ain't coming back, so maybe start dropping the shtick a little for your own good. I don't think people so much think he's a sociopath as much as it is he's allowing the whole "never break kayfabe, and ALWAYS push for the heat" thing to put him in situations that are counterproductive when it comes to making some people want to see him. Sure, there are people who would want him to heel on them and be a jerk to them if they ran into him in public "off the clock" so to speak, but it's not everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 12:11:56 GMT -5
I don't think Max is showing sociopathic behavior or anything like that. I just think he's WAY overthinking himself and his gimmick, and it's making him do dumbf*** things that are damaging to both himself and AEW. Max has maybe one out of character interview out there, and he states something to the effect of "I'm just a Jewish kid from city with anxiety". MJF both wants this spot, this opportunity, this title run, but he's overdoing it in every single facet. He wants to be the mega-heel that will forever be remember, but he's forgetting that this is pro-wrestling, and heel work has to fit within that space. That's why Swerve is arguably eating his lunch right now in terms of being AEW's best heel. I think that Max is so damned terrified that he won't live up to the expectations that he's set for himself and the hype that's surrounded him that he's just gone completely off reservation trying to get heat and seeming "eeeeeeevil". It doesn't excuse him, and if I were Tony Khan I'd have fined him the moment he walked through the curtain and told him that another one of those types of incidents puts him on ice, but I don't think the real life MJF is truly some sociopath that believes his own hype. Just the opposite. HOWEVER... my guy, it's 2023. Kayfabe is dead and it ain't coming back, so maybe start dropping the shtick a little for your own good. This is really the long and short of it, I think. I'd said before how scattershot the Danielson feud felt and antics like this sorta tie into that idea. "Anything to get heat" is apparently Max's entire philosophy as a performer; doesn't make him a sociopath or a horrible human being (and frankly I think a lot of the posts insinuating it somehow does are totally off-base, and are from people who want their dislike of the guy to be "objectively" correct) but it does reinforce that the dude badly needs an editor - or in cases where he straight-up crosses a line, someone to firmly tell him "don't do that shit again, it makes the company look bad." True. Even Flair needed to back off once in a while, with what the whole virgins bleeding promo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 12:18:36 GMT -5
I don't think Max is showing sociopathic behavior or anything like that. I just think he's WAY overthinking himself and his gimmick, and it's making him do dumbf*** things that are damaging to both himself and AEW. Max has maybe one out of character interview out there, and he states something to the effect of "I'm just a Jewish kid from city with anxiety". MJF both wants this spot, this opportunity, this title run, but he's overdoing it in every single facet. He wants to be the mega-heel that will forever be remember, but he's forgetting that this is pro-wrestling, and heel work has to fit within that space. That's why Swerve is arguably eating his lunch right now in terms of being AEW's best heel. I think that Max is so damned terrified that he won't live up to the expectations that he's set for himself and the hype that's surrounded him that he's just gone completely off reservation trying to get heat and seeming "eeeeeeevil". It doesn't excuse him, and if I were Tony Khan I'd have fined him the moment he walked through the curtain and told him that another one of those types of incidents puts him on ice, but I don't think the real life MJF is truly some sociopath that believes his own hype. Just the opposite. HOWEVER... my guy, it's 2023. Kayfabe is dead and it ain't coming back, so maybe start dropping the shtick a little for your own good. This is really the long and short of it, I think. I'd said before how scattershot the Danielson feud felt and antics like this sorta tie into that idea. "Anything to get heat" is apparently Max's entire philosophy as a performer; doesn't make him a sociopath or a horrible human being (and frankly I think a lot of the posts insinuating it somehow does are totally off-base, and are from people who want their dislike of the guy to be "objectively" correct) but it does reinforce that the dude badly needs an editor - or in cases where he straight-up crosses a line, someone to firmly tell him "don't do that shit again, it makes the company look bad."
MJF took a cane shot straight to the dome from a literal child. Granted, it was Brody JR and it was definitely some extenuating circumstances, but he took it like a champ and he wasn't even in the match, if I recall correctly.
It doesn't negate what he did, but I think the aforementioned cane shot is an example of the real Maxwell Friedman shining through in a kayfabe-friendly moment.
So, yeah. I think he needs to bullet point his promos and have one of the agents or Jake Roberts (Hell, Jake knows a thing or two about getting heat and being an evil wrestling character, doesn't he?) polish them up before he goes out there.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 7, 2023 12:24:30 GMT -5
Also all these antics don't even have the desired effect of making him this ultra despised heel. Half of the time he gets mixed reactions and people laugh along or cringe at how try-hard his stuff is.
There were at least 3 heels on Raw last night who get better heel heat than him. And in AEW you have the likes of Christian/Jarrett/Sammy who can get booed out the building easily without resorting to the desperate tactics MJF does.
The longer this title run goes the more I'm convinced he should have kept the Sep-Nov 2022 kinda tweener version of his character and eventually evolved from there. Going fully back to his old character I think has been a mistake.
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Post by tagteammatchplaya on Mar 7, 2023 12:40:42 GMT -5
People are defending this because of who it is, the reaction would be much different if say Sammy Guevara or Austin Theory did this
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 12:43:04 GMT -5
People are defending this because of who it is, the reaction would be much different if say Sammy Guevara or Austin Theory did this Dear bouncin' baby jebbus I don't care for Sammy at all but I am glad it wasn't him. The online hatred would be 70x worse.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 7, 2023 12:53:26 GMT -5
People are defending this because of who it is, the reaction would be much different if say Sammy Guevara or Austin Theory did this I don't see anyone defending it though? The spiciest take in this thread is that he shouldn't of done it but at least it led to the kid meeting Hobbs, ignoring the claims of it being a work.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Mar 7, 2023 13:02:56 GMT -5
If he ever goes to WWE, I could see him feuding with John Cena as a genuine hood vs. evil story. What I’m really concerned about is that he’d cross a line by making fun of the Make A Wish kids. We’ve seen him do “the face” in a picture with a special needs fan before at an Indy; just imagine the firestorm he would cause if he did that on the national stage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 13:04:47 GMT -5
If he ever goes to WWE, I could see him feuding with John Cena as a genuine hood vs. evil story. What I’m really concerned about is that he’d cross a line by making fun of the Make A Wish kids. We’ve seen him do “the face” in a picture with a special needs fan before at an Indy; just imagine the firestorm he would cause if he did that on the national stage. Wait, what?
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Mar 7, 2023 13:06:56 GMT -5
I think (and this probably a stretch, but stay with me)…Max could learn a little bit about how to balance kayfabe and real life from watching one of his co-workers. It’s a small sample size but still…. Danhausen. I’ve met him twice now. Both times he was “in character” in so much as having the face paint and gear on. But he interacted with people as Donovan, the man behind the gimmick. It’s a little thing but I imagine long term it does wonders for your mental health to not live the gimmick at all times. Max really is a phenomenal talent and is better at the subtle layers thing that I think we all give him credit for (check this piece from the ringer out that they dropped yesterday. Gives layers of context to the build and the match IMO; www.theringer.com/wwe/2023/3/6/23627831/mjf-vs-bryan-danielson-aew-revolution-iron-man-match-best-wrestling-matches)BUT he’s gotta find that balance. I can’t imagine how much always being “on” can f*** with someone’s psyche…especially someone who deals with anxiety and self doubt. And that overpowering urge to take things that far to justify the character in your head will not end well. For him as a performer but also for him as a person. Just my 2 Pennies 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 13:26:59 GMT -5
People are defending this because of who it is, the reaction would be much different if say Sammy Guevara or Austin Theory did this I don't see anyone defending it though? The spiciest take in this thread is that he shouldn't of done it but at least it led to the kid meeting Hobbs, ignoring the claims of it being a work. This thread has been heavily edited due to both sides.
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