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Post by sungod2020 on Mar 24, 2023 18:06:07 GMT -5
Three pages and no one mentioned The Steiner Brothers? With their amateur background, alot of their moves were ahead of its time.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 24, 2023 18:23:21 GMT -5
Three pages and no one mentioned The Steiner Brothers? With their amateur background, alot of their moves were ahead of its time. Their powers were passed on to Bron Breakker and the Creed Brothers on NXT.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Mar 24, 2023 23:30:27 GMT -5
Billy Robinson vs Bryan Danielson would be fun.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Mar 24, 2023 23:37:40 GMT -5
Yeah, Andre would outshine any of the modern giants. He was already breaking down during the build for Wrestlemania III and The Main Event, and it was still executed about as close to perfect as it could be. Andre’s decline was sharp, but his peak was so much higher than any other giant that for a time it didn’t matter.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 25, 2023 5:57:06 GMT -5
I think statements that Andre would outshine all modern giants is doing a huge disservice to the Big Show who could both work and talk. The WWE squandered him doing comedy crap so it's easy to forget just how talented he was for someone his size.
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Post by The Barber on Mar 25, 2023 6:06:55 GMT -5
I think statements that Andre would outshine all modern giants is doing a huge disservice to be Big Show who could both work and talk. The WWE squandered him doing comedy crap so it's easy to forget just how talented he was for someone his size.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 25, 2023 6:08:46 GMT -5
Three pages and no one mentioned The Steiner Brothers? With their amateur background, alot of their moves were ahead of its time. Those two, along with Saturn and Taz, would be big stars nowadays if they were thrown into the future... provided all four of them not act like huge dickheads. A lot of the crap they pulled in their primes would limit their rise nowadays, and with good cause. (Taz apparently mellowed out a ton when Hook was born, though I can't speak for the other three one way or the other on if they ever dialed it back.)
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 25, 2023 6:12:34 GMT -5
I think statements that Andre would outshine all modern giants is doing a huge disservice to be Big Show who could both work and talk. The WWE squandered him doing comedy crap so it's easy to forget just how talented he was for someone his size. It's a big what if for me, had Paul Wight gone to WWF and not been grabbed by WCW due to WWF dropping the ball, what would have happened with him. WCW definitely pushed him heavily and made him a star, but they also didn't really teach him discipline, especially since he was Hogan's buddy. WWF could have maybe got some seriousness into him and sidestepped some of his later attitude issues, but they also might have totally botched using him like they did with some of their big men, even if he was definitely a cut above the Silvas and Kurrgans of the world.
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Post by The Barber on Mar 26, 2023 7:25:55 GMT -5
It's a big what if for me, had Paul Wight gone to WWF and not been grabbed by WCW due to WWF dropping the ball, what would have happened with him. WCW definitely pushed him heavily and made him a star, but they also didn't really teach him discipline, especially since he was Hogan's buddy. WWF could have maybe got some seriousness into him and sidestepped some of his later attitude issues, but they also might have totally botched using him like they did with some of their big men, even if he was definitely a cut above the Silvas and Kurrgans of the world. I fear that they would have had him be the lumbering giant or goofy schmuck he was in the 2000s. I think he might've actually gone to WCW if it was still around because Big Show probably still would have had issues with his weight while in the WWF.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 26, 2023 8:16:33 GMT -5
Andre in his prime was much better than Omos and Khali in the ring. If you watch matches with him and Race, Andre"s putting him in holds most of the match. His brawling with Stan Hansen was also great for his size. He also had a lot of charisma, which would make a difference. I think his biggest issue would be seeing how he'd adapt to a very different backstage environment. If he had a promoter that he could have the kind of relationship with as he did the Vinces, then he'd be gold, but if he couldn't, he'd probably bounce from company to company like Sid would later on. Andre was very conscious of his market value, and for better and worse, prioritized that over being a team player, which would lead to things like him viewing guys like Uncle Elmer and Big John Studd with suspicion and hostility, given he felt they could damage his value as THE giant. the only issue I could see with Andre is kinda what happened to Big Show too over exposure. Andre needs to be an attraction kinda like they book Lesnar now... with how often wrestling happens on Television now Andre coming out every week to wrestle would likely kill a lot of his aura. I mean there still is the spectacle of 70's Andre doing moves that he did as opposed to what we saw in the 80's/90's WWF (Which even working hurt Vince Sr. and Jr. both basically told him to stop doing a lot of the moves he could do with the you're a giant... you don't need anything else)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 26, 2023 8:26:51 GMT -5
It's a big what if for me, had Paul Wight gone to WWF and not been grabbed by WCW due to WWF dropping the ball, what would have happened with him. WCW definitely pushed him heavily and made him a star, but they also didn't really teach him discipline, especially since he was Hogan's buddy. WWF could have maybe got some seriousness into him and sidestepped some of his later attitude issues, but they also might have totally botched using him like they did with some of their big men, even if he was definitely a cut above the Silvas and Kurrgans of the world. I fear that they would have had him be the lumbering giant or goofy schmuck he was in the 2000s. I think he might've actually gone to WCW if it was still around because Big Show probably still would have had issues with his weight while in the WWF. He wouldn't have been doing the dropkick and stuff as Vince is very much a "just because you CAN do a move doesn't mean you should" kinda dude. (Also that's probably better for him personally to not be doing shit like that) He probably wouldn't be lumbering around the ring as that's usually due to the people not being able to move as fast but he would likely use a lot of the big man staples, with possibly pulling a dropkick out in BIG matches.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Mar 26, 2023 11:13:17 GMT -5
123 Kid/X-Pac. I'm not kidding. It sucks that people have to add the caveat that they aren't joking when they talk about how good Waltman was. Dude was waaayy ahead of his time and was basically the measuring stick on if someone was going to spend sometime in WWF.
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Post by XIII on Mar 26, 2023 16:33:42 GMT -5
Big Show kind of never got the chance to be an Andre type because he allowed himself to get slammed, jackhammered, suplexed, powerbombed, etc. non stop. Granted he didn’t know any better and after a while it didn’t matter but if he and his employers had been a bit more selective on when someone would toss him around he would have had a lot more of an aura than he did.
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Post by The Barber on Mar 27, 2023 2:37:37 GMT -5
He also had a lot of charisma, which would make a difference. I think his biggest issue would be seeing how he'd adapt to a very different backstage environment. If he had a promoter that he could have the kind of relationship with as he did the Vinces, then he'd be gold, but if he couldn't, he'd probably bounce from company to company like Sid would later on. Andre was very conscious of his market value, and for better and worse, prioritized that over being a team player, which would lead to things like him viewing guys like Uncle Elmer and Big John Studd with suspicion and hostility, given he felt they could damage his value as THE giant. I mean there still is the spectacle of 70's Andre doing moves that he did as opposed to what we saw in the 80's/90's WWF (Which even working hurt Vince Sr. and Jr. both basically told him to stop doing a lot of the moves he could do with the you're a giant... you don't need anything else) People often forget that Andre could move for a big man back in the day. The Great Khali could move too, but didn't in WWE.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Mar 27, 2023 8:41:15 GMT -5
Randy Savage 1985-1992
Take away all of the paranoia stuff.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 27, 2023 9:38:06 GMT -5
Not as flashy or quick as some mentioned but his charisma and abilities to generate heat should make up for it.
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Post by Dang! on Mar 27, 2023 10:12:21 GMT -5
123 Kid/X-Pac. I'm not kidding. He probably would have had an even better career had he started today. Back then he had to rely on his speed and agility because he was the smallest of the Superstars by far. Today he'd not have that handicap and would be perceived as a normal sized. He'd be World Champ in one of the bigger leagues at some point today.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 27, 2023 11:03:03 GMT -5
It's a big what if for me, had Paul Wight gone to WWF and not been grabbed by WCW due to WWF dropping the ball, what would have happened with him. WCW definitely pushed him heavily and made him a star, but they also didn't really teach him discipline, especially since he was Hogan's buddy. WWF could have maybe got some seriousness into him and sidestepped some of his later attitude issues, but they also might have totally botched using him like they did with some of their big men, even if he was definitely a cut above the Silvas and Kurrgans of the world. I fear that they would have had him be the lumbering giant or goofy schmuck he was in the 2000s. I think he might've actually gone to WCW if it was still around because Big Show probably still would have had issues with his weight while in the WWF. This. Undertaker was the 90's version of Andre, and there's no way that Paul Wight was ever going to become badass giant Andre 2.0 for longer than it took to have him put Taker over. Wight was infinitely better in WCW because they didn't have an Andre or an Undertaker, and he got a couple years of playing that role until Goldberg caught fire and jackhammered him. I actually don't see Paul Wight coming second behind Andre in any category. He just wasn't protected.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Mar 27, 2023 11:25:09 GMT -5
I mean there still is the spectacle of 70's Andre doing moves that he did as opposed to what we saw in the 80's/90's WWF (Which even working hurt Vince Sr. and Jr. both basically told him to stop doing a lot of the moves he could do with the you're a giant... you don't need anything else) People often forget that Andre could move for a big man back in the day. The Great Khali could move too, but didn't in WWE. How long was Khali working before he got to WWE? I'm asking because even by the time he debuted, he's knees looked shot.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Mar 27, 2023 11:27:40 GMT -5
I fear that they would have had him be the lumbering giant or goofy schmuck he was in the 2000s. I think he might've actually gone to WCW if it was still around because Big Show probably still would have had issues with his weight while in the WWF. This. Undertaker was the 90's version of Andre, and there's no way that Paul Wight was ever going to become badass giant Andre 2.0 for longer than it took to have him put Taker over. Wight was infinitely better in WCW because they didn't have an Andre or an Undertaker, and he got a couple years of playing that role until Goldberg caught fire and jackhammered him. I actually don't see Paul Wight coming second behind Andre in any category. He just wasn't protected. No one should be expected to be "The Next Andre". That's just setting them up to fail, especially in this day and age. Big Show/Paul Wight had an amazing career on his own.
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