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Post by gnr123 on Apr 24, 2023 22:46:16 GMT -5
The only way this will be a consolation prize is if Cody win's in, if Seth win's it than it will be no different than when Finn Balor won the Universal Championship shortly after it was introduced. This does have some parallels to that time as well, one show can't have two belts, after the WWE and World Heavyweight Championship were unified into one belt, that belt was made exclusive to Smackdown because of the Draft. Then, RAW needed a Championship, so the Universal Championship was made. WWE now also has a draft coming up, if Roman Reigns is made exclusively to Smackdown and WWE enforces a brand split, Roman will only be on Smackdown leaving RAW without a champion. I know we bitch about a lot stuff, but ONLY if Cody wins this belt is this a consolation prize. No, I don't agree with that at all. The belt's a consolation prize because no one could beat Roman for years and he won both belts, it's a consolation prize because guys like Seth said "FINALLY WE HAVE A WORLD TITLE AGAIN" and essentially had to gush about how it's a real title for the people and when you have to do that and ignore you couldn't beat Roman and no one could, it's a huge issue. It's a consolation prize because they had to make this belt because Roman is a part timer who doesn't lose and will continue to do that. They haven't had another world champion in years, it's been the Roman show, that's why it feels like a consolation prize. They had to make a whole other title for guys to have world title programs entirely separate from Roman Reigns' orbit, because he won't lose either belt. That's the issue here, and that's gonna be the issue for a long time with this imo. I would agree with you, if this wasn't a draft coming up. Triple H said in the promo tonight, whatever show Roman is drafted to, he will stay there with his championships, so the other brand needs a belt as well. JUST LIKE when the Universal Championship was made.
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Post by Kay Faban on Apr 24, 2023 22:46:31 GMT -5
Business has never been better in the history of the company. Of course they aren’t changing the lead guy while that’s happening. This is a great way to add another world title back.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 24, 2023 22:47:17 GMT -5
Just literally have Roman lose then teh next night have Heyman pull a shithead manager move and say well you only beat Roman for the WWE Title! as written in the contract. That would've been a much better outcome than what we got here. Sure, it would cause a lot of groans for Roman to keep one of the titles, but at least it would've made sense. Roman's camp being smart enough to have that as a backup plan is something you can run with, and you also have that extra layer with Roman not being so confident about winning at Wrestlemania. These are elements you can build upon to bring about the downfall of the Bloodline saga, all the while keeping true to continuity. But no, WWE is so hell-bent on not having Roman lose that they've decided logic be damned. They're introducing a new WHC because Roman losing would "ruin" their endgame.
And that's despite the fact they clearly have no endgame. Like you said there's no logic to it whatsoever from a story standpoint. It's basically "we are always going to make money hand over fist and don't give a crap so we're just going to have this guy who we love win forever no matter how boring, repetitive, and illogical it is because we don't care".
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 24, 2023 22:48:03 GMT -5
So an absolutely worthless consolation prize while the real champion continues to crush everyone in his path because God forbid after three years we get the f*** on with it, wonderful.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 24, 2023 22:48:15 GMT -5
No, I don't agree with that at all. The belt's a consolation prize because no one could beat Roman for years and he won both belts, it's a consolation prize because guys like Seth said "FINALLY WE HAVE A WORLD TITLE AGAIN" and essentially had to gush about how it's a real title for the people and when you have to do that and ignore you couldn't beat Roman and no one could, it's a huge issue. It's a consolation prize because they had to make this belt because Roman is a part timer who doesn't lose and will continue to do that. They haven't had another world champion in years, it's been the Roman show, that's why it feels like a consolation prize. They had to make a whole other title for guys to have world title programs entirely separate from Roman Reigns' orbit, because he won't lose either belt. That's the issue here, and that's gonna be the issue for a long time with this imo. I would agree with you, if this wasn't a draft coming up. Triple H said in the promo tonight, whatever show Roman is drafted to, he will stay there with his championships, so the other brand needs a belt as well. JUST LIKE when the Universal Championship was made. Yeah but that doesn't resolve the issue of what the belt is and why it was made Roman being condensed to one show is good, much like it was before he won the Universal title, but then just have him lose the damn Universal title! The belt that isn't connected to the record or his albatross of a storyline Them having to make a third world title because Roman can't lose and nobody can ever beat Roman is bullshit and it makes the new belt look like shit right out of the gate. It's all because of Roman, even when they try to make a belt adjacent to Roman it only exists BECAUSE of Roman, that's a major problem that they simply won't let die, it merely pushes on.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 24, 2023 22:50:31 GMT -5
Business has never been better in the history of the company. Of course they aren’t changing the lead guy while that’s happening. This is a great way to add another world title back. You know what would have been another great way to add another world title back? Have Roman actually f***ing lose the Universal Title, or never win it, or defend it in isolation. Instead he absorbed that belt and now we need to have another world title that solves the problem the Universal title did, except now that Roman's absorbed that, they need to re-redo the idea, with another world title, because of Roman's booking. I personally don't care how good business is as it doesn't even correlate to having to make this decision, and I get Roman's storyline just can't ever end for any reason, but when you have to keep making World Title alternates because of it, I don't call that a good idea and I don't call that good booking, and it spells out whoever wins this title isn't the "lead guy" either, that's still Roman, because the belt was made for an entire roster who couldn't beat Roman, for years.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 24, 2023 22:53:39 GMT -5
I really don’t think they’ll just chuck the Universal title until Roman loses, mainly because it’s actual title he’s had for 900 whatever days that they’re pushing to beat Pedro’s record. I think he’ll lose it to Cody, Cody then goes ‘we don’t need this anymore’ and just lay it down. Boom, Roman still gets his 1000 whatever world title reign, the cursed title is over with, and we keep the WWE title’s lineage.
That being said, that title looks like a B-show title if I ever saw one.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 24, 2023 22:55:20 GMT -5
The only way this will be a consolation prize is if Cody win's in, if Seth win's it than it will be no different than when Finn Balor won the Universal Championship shortly after it was introduced. This does have some parallels to that time as well, one show can't have two belts, after the WWE and World Heavyweight Championship were unified into one belt, that belt was made exclusive to Smackdown because of the Draft. Then, RAW needed a Championship, so the Universal Championship was made. WWE now also has a draft coming up, if Roman Reigns is made exclusively to Smackdown and WWE enforces a brand split, Roman will only be on Smackdown leaving RAW without a champion. I know we bitch about a lot stuff, but ONLY if Cody wins this belt is this a consolation prize. That last line should read "I know we bitch about a lot stuff, but ONLY if Cody, Drew, KO, Edge, Sami, Riddle and anyone else bitched out by The Bloodline wins this belt is this a consolation prize".
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Post by Kay Faban on Apr 24, 2023 22:56:04 GMT -5
Business has never been better in the history of the company. Of course they aren’t changing the lead guy while that’s happening. This is a great way to add another world title back. You know what would have been another great way to add another world title back? Have Roman actually f***ing lose the Universal Title, or never win it, or defend it in isolation. Instead he absorbed that belt and now we need to have another world title that solves the problem the Universal title did, except now that Roman's absorbed that, they need to re-redo the idea, with another world title, because of Roman's booking. I personally don't care how good business is as it doesn't even correlate to having to make this decision, and I get Roman's storyline just can't ever end for any reason, but when you have to keep making World Title alternates because of it, I don't call that a good idea and I don't call that good booking, and it spells out whoever wins this title isn't the "lead guy" either, that's still Roman, because the belt was made for an entire roster who couldn't beat Roman, for years. Of course how good business is has to do with decision. And this is one world title, they don’t have to keep on adding championships. And it’s a champion they previously had.
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Post by mc74 on Apr 24, 2023 22:58:16 GMT -5
That would've been a much better outcome than what we got here. Sure, it would cause a lot of groans for Roman to keep one of the titles, but at least it would've made sense. Roman's camp being smart enough to have that as a backup plan is something you can run with, and you also have that extra layer with Roman not being so confident about winning at Wrestlemania. These are elements you can build upon to bring about the downfall of the Bloodline saga, all the while keeping true to continuity. But no, WWE is so hell-bent on not having Roman lose that they've decided logic be damned. They're introducing a new WHC because Roman losing would "ruin" their endgame.
And that's despite the fact they clearly have no endgame. Like you said there's no logic to it whatsoever from a story standpoint. It's basically "we are always going to make money hand over fist and don't give a crap so we're just going to have this guy who we love win forever no matter how boring, repetitive, and illogical it is because we don't care". Unless of course, it's a match against Rock, which quite frankly, still has a multitude of issues that should by rights, rule it out as the endgame.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 24, 2023 22:58:34 GMT -5
You know what would have been another great way to add another world title back? Have Roman actually f***ing lose the Universal Title, or never win it, or defend it in isolation. Instead he absorbed that belt and now we need to have another world title that solves the problem the Universal title did, except now that Roman's absorbed that, they need to re-redo the idea, with another world title, because of Roman's booking. I personally don't care how good business is as it doesn't even correlate to having to make this decision, and I get Roman's storyline just can't ever end for any reason, but when you have to keep making World Title alternates because of it, I don't call that a good idea and I don't call that good booking, and it spells out whoever wins this title isn't the "lead guy" either, that's still Roman, because the belt was made for an entire roster who couldn't beat Roman, for years. Of course how good business is has to do with decision. And this is one world title, they don’t have to keep on adding championships. And it’s a champion they previously had. It's their third world title, they have the WWE Title, the Universal Championship, and now a completely new World Heavyweight Championship It doesn't look good, the optics don't look good, the booking is shit because it just exists because Roman won't lose and it does look like a consolation prize. It looks embarrassing when HHH and Seth have to scream about how this is the title that matters for the people when the reality is none of them have been able to pin Roman for three years so they all need to fight over another belt because of it. We don't agree on this but I'm glad I'm not the only one who agrees with this sentiment and that the optics look like ass. Maybe they'll have good feuds and such eventually for it, but I'm just seeing through the BS, that's what the title is, and if Roman wasn't Roman and he had a strangehold on both their world titles and will until the end of time, it wouldn't even exist. The domino effect since Cody lost at Mania Night 2 hasn't been great, at least in my opinion.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 24, 2023 23:01:05 GMT -5
The only way this will be a consolation prize is if Cody win's in, if Seth win's it than it will be no different than when Finn Balor won the Universal Championship shortly after it was introduced. This does have some parallels to that time as well, one show can't have two belts, after the WWE and World Heavyweight Championship were unified into one belt, that belt was made exclusive to Smackdown because of the Draft. Then, RAW needed a Championship, so the Universal Championship was made. WWE now also has a draft coming up, if Roman Reigns is made exclusively to Smackdown and WWE enforces a brand split, Roman will only be on Smackdown leaving RAW without a champion. I know we bitch about a lot stuff, but ONLY if Cody wins this belt is this a consolation prize. That last line should read "I know we bitch about a lot stuff, but ONLY if Cody, Drew, KO, Edge, Sami, Riddle and anyone else bitched out by The Bloodline wins this belt is this a consolation prize". Because of this I think Seth is really the only right choice. Just simply for the fact he's literally been the only face who hasn't been made to be the Bloodline's bitch. Of course watch them put it on Solo just to annoy everyone further lol.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 24, 2023 23:01:56 GMT -5
I will say as shitty and useless and self-defeating as this stupid belt is at least it might leave Raw watchable due to being devoid of the Bloodline just mercilessly shitting on everything all show every show.
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Post by Kay Faban on Apr 24, 2023 23:02:05 GMT -5
Of course how good business is has to do with decision. And this is one world title, they don’t have to keep on adding championships. And it’s a champion they previously had. It's their third world title, they have the WWE Title, the Universal Championship, and now a completely new World Heavyweight Championship It doesn't look good, the optics don't look good, the booking is shit because it just exists because Roman won't lose and it does look like a consolation prize. It looks embarrassing when HHH and Seth have to scream about how this is the title that matters for the people when the reality is none of them have been able to pin Roman for three years so they all need to fight over another belt because of it. We don't agree on this but I'm glad I'm not the only one who agrees with this sentiment and that the optics look like ass. Maybe they'll have good feuds and such eventually for it, but I'm just seeing through the BS, that's what the title is, and if Roman wasn't Roman and he had a strangehold on both their world titles and will until the end of time, it wouldn't even exist. The domino effect since Cody lost at Mania Night 2 hasn't been great, at least in my opinion. Fortunately for the WWE your opinion is the minority.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Apr 24, 2023 23:02:48 GMT -5
Wait wait wait wait....are there seriously THREE world titles now? Wh....why not just have had Roman lose to Drew last year for the WWE and keep the Universal? This 'World' title has no lineage or credibility, the one with the history that matters the most is the WWE championship, and the Uni is the 'modern' world title that has the most important modern reign. Now the guy that wins this belt wins the least important world title in the company, and it doesn't really count.
I wonder if this is a setup for Reigns to win it before his presumed match with The Rock...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 24, 2023 23:03:09 GMT -5
It's their third world title, they have the WWE Title, the Universal Championship, and now a completely new World Heavyweight Championship It doesn't look good, the optics don't look good, the booking is shit because it just exists because Roman won't lose and it does look like a consolation prize. It looks embarrassing when HHH and Seth have to scream about how this is the title that matters for the people when the reality is none of them have been able to pin Roman for three years so they all need to fight over another belt because of it. We don't agree on this but I'm glad I'm not the only one who agrees with this sentiment and that the optics look like ass. Maybe they'll have good feuds and such eventually for it, but I'm just seeing through the BS, that's what the title is, and if Roman wasn't Roman and he had a strangehold on both their world titles and will until the end of time, it wouldn't even exist. The domino effect since Cody lost at Mania Night 2 hasn't been great, at least in my opinion. Fortunately for the WWE your opinion is the minority. Fortunately for WWE, I don't give a shit what they think about me or my opinion, and I can freely express my opinion like dozens of others already have in the thread making the same or takes as me. And don't worry, WWE doesn't care about people who defend them either, they constantly make that clear...
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 24, 2023 23:03:28 GMT -5
You know when else business was good? When the nWo was red hot and they rode that damn gravy train right off a cliff because “business is good”.
But you know what? Hogan at least lost the title to Sting even with some overbooked shenanigans like Roman should have with Cody. Shenanigans would have split the titles and kept one on Roman to protect their precious never ending Bloodline storyline.
Hogan also dropped the title for a short time to Luger. Like Roman should have to Sami. I said what I said.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 24, 2023 23:04:20 GMT -5
The only way this will be a consolation prize is if Cody win's in, if Seth win's it than it will be no different than when Finn Balor won the Universal Championship shortly after it was introduced. This does have some parallels to that time as well, one show can't have two belts, after the WWE and World Heavyweight Championship were unified into one belt, that belt was made exclusive to Smackdown because of the Draft. Then, RAW needed a Championship, so the Universal Championship was made. WWE now also has a draft coming up, if Roman Reigns is made exclusively to Smackdown and WWE enforces a brand split, Roman will only be on Smackdown leaving RAW without a champion. I know we bitch about a lot stuff, but ONLY if Cody wins this belt is this a consolation prize. That last line should read "I know we bitch about a lot stuff, but ONLY if Cody, Drew, KO, Edge, Sami, Riddle and anyone else bitched out by The Bloodline wins this belt is this a consolation prize".
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Post by Kay Faban on Apr 24, 2023 23:06:13 GMT -5
Fortunately for the WWE your opinion is the minority. Fortunately for WWE, I don't give a shit what they think about me or my opinion, and I can freely express my opinion like dozens of others already have in the thread making the same or takes as me. And don't worry, WWE doesn't care about people who defend them either, they constantly make that clear... Yeah, never said you couldn’t express your opinion.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 24, 2023 23:06:18 GMT -5
That last line should read "I know we bitch about a lot stuff, but ONLY if Cody, Drew, KO, Edge, Sami, Riddle and anyone else bitched out by The Bloodline wins this belt is this a consolation prize". This doesn't work and you know it doesn't work lmfao Roman hasn't lost in four f***ing years and people were chomping at the bit to see Cody beat him at Mania and he didn't WWE just don't want to move forward and are willing to sacrifice as many as they want to for Roman to continue to be champion and everyone else meddling around in their own world for world title number 3, and that makes them look like bitches lol
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