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Post by karl100589 on May 13, 2023 1:48:24 GMT -5
As we know the term "Janetty" has been used to refer to the less successful member of a broken up tag team, and while the gulf between Shawn and Marty's post rockers careers is well documented, I've always believed Stevie Ray was a bigger Janetty then his namesake. At the time of the Rockers breakup it was seen that Shawn and Marty were pretty even when it came to talent level, I'd even argue Marty was better in the early stages of the team, but with Harlem Heat it was clear from an early stage Booker was far better then Stevie, and if anything Stevie stopped Booker from reaching his potential earlier then he did. Booker of course went on to win multiple world titles and become an all time great, Stevie was an NWO jobber.
I'd make the same argument for Anvil with Bret, but at least Anvil could work as the impact man in a tag team, whereas Stevie was very limited in the ring.
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Post by pinja on May 13, 2023 1:58:43 GMT -5
I think the Anvil comparison is more apt. Yes, Jim was the impact guy in his team with Bret, but his bigger value was him having more of a personality. Booker was always charismatic, but I thought Stevie had more presence. He was the big brother and felt like the big brother. In my opinion Booker never eclipsed that as long as they were together.
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Post by CMWaters on May 13, 2023 2:21:46 GMT -5
Side question: how does Stevie's color commentary run compare with recent Booker T ones?
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 13, 2023 4:32:38 GMT -5
I think the Anvil comparison is more apt. Yes, Jim was the impact guy in his team with Bret, but his bigger value was him having more of a personality. Booker was always charismatic, but I thought Stevie had more presence. He was the big brother and felt like the big brother. In my opinion Booker never eclipsed that as long as they were together. Also Stevie despite clearly being less talented it seemed like was presented as more of the star of the team their first couple of years in that he was protected more and booked as the bigger threat. Booker was the side kick little brother who ate all the pins when they lost. I would say it wasn't until about their third year in WCW that Booker started to become the main guy of the team. Booker getting the spot as Sting's partner against the Road Warriors at Uncensored 96 and on top of that getting the pin is what cemented him as the franchise of the team for me. He had clearly surpassed Stevie by that point. |
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Post by XIII on May 13, 2023 4:57:12 GMT -5
Nah, Stevie never really had potential to be a top singles guy. At one pint Marty did. Also: Stevie hasn’t gone insane like Marty so he’s safe from this label. lol
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on May 13, 2023 6:15:35 GMT -5
I know the original definition of Jannetty was just the guy from a tag team who had the lesser solo career, although over time Marty's repeated hiring/firings and bizarre claims has kind of morphed the meaning (at least in my brain)
Stevie hasn't embarrassed himself anywhere near the level of Party-Marty.
Also Marty has never (intentionally) entertained me as much as this Stevie Ray clip
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Post by Red Mage Riot on May 13, 2023 7:23:46 GMT -5
I'm gonna say no, in terms of, I don't think the expectations were as high for Stevie as they were for Marty, post-breakup. I think everyone knew Stevie Ray was a limited, big dude who probably wasn't gonna move very far up the card without his brother. Marty had a real chance to be an upper-midcard player in the wake of the Rockers break-up, he just pissed it down his leg.
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Post by Glitch on May 13, 2023 7:33:09 GMT -5
I'd say the term Jannety is better reserved for someone in a tag team who has talent but self sabotages to a massive degree. As someone said before, Neidhart would be a better term.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2023 8:37:00 GMT -5
I would agree. When the Rockers broke up, there was a real excitement for a Shawn/Marty feud, but when Harlem Heat did, there seemed to be a general consensus of “well, this guy is done.”
The same could probably be said about Neidhart, too.
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Post by msc on May 13, 2023 9:12:26 GMT -5
Did anyone think that Jim Neidhart or Stevie Ray could be world champions? People thought Marty could have had a career as good as Shawn, and he didn't come anywhere near. He didn't even have a Christian style run, which was well within his abilities.
Add in his hurricane dodgy real life since, and yeah, no one's ever going to out Jannetty Marty at "being a Jannetty".
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Post by stephen90 on May 13, 2023 9:41:24 GMT -5
He was the leader of the NWO B Team which is far more remembered than The New Rockers. That's saying something as well.
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Post by dpg on May 13, 2023 10:22:47 GMT -5
Think Stevie was happy to move into the background and give Booker the spotlight, saw him as a star.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 13, 2023 11:34:50 GMT -5
Stevie Ray was more of a Neidhart or Luchasaurus style incubator talent, a guy with a lower ceiling who's further along in their development who's there to protect their partner while they grow in confidence and get more matches and promos under their belt. There was never a point where anyone thought he'd be the next big thing, just an okay midcarder, and that's what he was for the most part. Marty is remembered as he was because he was a problematic burnout, somehow managing to be even worse than late 90s Shawn, and comparing every other member of a tagteam to him is doing them a disservice.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 13, 2023 12:25:45 GMT -5
I'd say the term Jannety is better reserved for someone in a tag team who has talent but self sabotages to a massive degree. As someone said before, Neidhart would be a better term. Dynamite Kid might fit this description best. Seen as more talented than Davey Boy, yet the WWF went out of their way not to bring him back due to his attitude, backstage heat and drug issues. |
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Post by pinja on May 13, 2023 12:49:45 GMT -5
Was being the Jannetty a contemporary phrase or was it coined later?
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Post by James Fabiano on May 13, 2023 17:34:39 GMT -5
Side question: how does Stevie's color commentary run compare with recent Booker T ones? Do we count Black Snow in the equation? |
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Post by CMWaters on May 13, 2023 17:37:57 GMT -5
Side question: how does Stevie's color commentary run compare with recent Booker T ones? Do we count Black Snow in the equation? More meant anything after that, but if you want to use that too... |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 13, 2023 18:54:00 GMT -5
Nah, the thing about Marty is the waste of potential where he actually was good enough to be something as a solo act. Your Stevie or Anvil never had that.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on May 13, 2023 20:18:39 GMT -5
Was being the Jannetty a contemporary phrase or was it coined later? I think it really rose to prominence during the Miz/Morrison feud in 2009. |
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Post by tafkaga on May 13, 2023 20:25:07 GMT -5
The Steve Ray/Neidhart comparison is more appropriate.
Stevie Ray had the better presence and was the better talker of the two, but also it did eventually become clear that Booker was going to be the break out star of the duo, just as it did with Bret.
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