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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 28, 2023 20:23:13 GMT -5
I had a conversation with a group of friends where we were discussing where the law of diminishing returns kicks in for having multiple title reigns. For instance you have Harley Race being the champion 7 (or 8 depending on who you ask) times in about 10 years and it still sounds like he had some time for some pretty decent title reigns, meanwhile you've got other guys today like Edge who was an 11 time champion in the span of about 5 years and it leaves you wondering if he ever actually retained the title in any of those title reigns. So where's the line for you folks? When does it stop feeling believable and impressive to you?
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Post by Triangle Lancer on May 28, 2023 20:38:01 GMT -5
I just had this exact convo with my wife's cousin. Roman held it 1,000 straight days. I'm not a fan but that's a big deal. I tossed back "If it were Cena/Orton/Triple H/Mankind and they held it 3-4 times but barely a month at a time..." that 1,000 isn't that big a deal if it takes 10 reigns to reach it.
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Post by ace on May 28, 2023 20:56:31 GMT -5
I usually get bored of anyone when I’ve had to watch them win the title more than three times. I’ve seen it more than enough no matter who you are. Do something new.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 28, 2023 20:57:34 GMT -5
I remember Jonathan Coachman and Raven commentating Heat and Coachman introducing Raven as his co-host, 27 time WWE Hardcore Champion, Raven.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on May 28, 2023 21:07:18 GMT -5
There needs to start being more of a focus on number of defenses. Oh, you're champion for 1000 days? Not many defenses. You've been champion 16 times? So you lost 16 times too?
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Post by buckethead on May 28, 2023 21:10:31 GMT -5
Not sure on an exact number...it would probably differ from wrestler to wrestler and which fed they're in.
I know one thing...
Even though I loved Flair, by 88-89 I was already tiring of his reigns yet he was only at what...5 or 6 at that point?
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Post by buckethead on May 28, 2023 21:12:41 GMT -5
There needs to start being more of a focus on number of defenses. Oh, you're champion for 1000 days? Not many defenses. You've been champion 16 times? So you lost 16 times too? Reminds me of how PWI used to criticize Hogan for not defending it overseas and for the amount here too.
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Post by chrom on May 28, 2023 21:22:14 GMT -5
My personal opinion is I'd rather be a champ one time for 8 months than 8 times for one month.
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Post by tirtefaa on May 28, 2023 21:26:05 GMT -5
5 or less typically.
After that point, it becomes incredibly hard to distinguish one reign from the next.
I can vividly recollect the WWF reigns of Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart, but completely get lost when I try to go through Cena's reigns, especially around the time he and Orton kept swapping the title constantly.
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Post by cassonova on May 28, 2023 21:27:20 GMT -5
A surprisingly low number, at least for the world title. I tend to associate a high numbers with either hot potato or stagnation. Neither are inherently good for business.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 28, 2023 21:34:50 GMT -5
5.
When Hogan won 5 for the WWF I thought no one would match him. When Bret matched him with 5 in 1997, I thought that was the gold standard that should never go over 5.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on May 29, 2023 14:50:34 GMT -5
I voted 6.
I'm thinking mostly of Jericho. They would always play up his '9 IC Title Reigns', which is great on one hand, but then that equals a lot of time spent in the mid card.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 29, 2023 15:29:11 GMT -5
Number Vince Russo.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2023 15:50:53 GMT -5
Growing up through the Hogan and Hart eras, five still sounds very impressive to me.
I think it’s much less about the number and more of how much prestige the reign is presented with, and that really started for me with the Monday Night Wars era when the title started getting hot-potatoed. I couldn’t even guess how many reigns Austin, Rock, Orton, Edge, Lesnar, etc. have had, but none of them felt anywhere near as important as Hogan and Bret’s five.
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Post by tafkaga on May 29, 2023 16:03:55 GMT -5
The number of reigns is irrelevant, and a silly bragging point.
Bruno, Hogan, Verne Gagne, Cena... those guys had impressive title runs, because they beat everybody and their long runs attested to their ability to draw over long periods of time.
Flair's reigns in the 80's were good, but considering half or more of his 17 reigns were stopgaps when he was past his prime, his record 17 reigns are a joke.
Aside from Cena, I can't think of any 'E' era guys whose title reigns were particularly meaningful as anything more than trying to shake up storylines.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 29, 2023 16:10:25 GMT -5
Growing up through the Hogan and Hart eras, five still sounds very impressive to me. I think it’s much less about the number and more of how much prestige the reign is presented with, and that really started for me with the Monday Night Wars era when the title started getting hot-potatoed. I couldn’t even guess how many reigns Austin, Rock, Orton, Edge, Lesnar, etc. have had, but none of them felt anywhere near as important as Hogan and Bret’s five. Came here to say this. Bret Hart's 5th reign was meaningful and significant in how it happened. To add to that, he was just the 2nd person to hit that number. The hot potato reigns of the Attitude Era and 2000-now feel fairly meaningless.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 29, 2023 16:17:19 GMT -5
5 or less typically. After that point, it becomes incredibly hard to distinguish one reign from the next. I can vividly recollect the WWF reigns of Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart, but completely get lost when I try to go through Cena's reigns, especially around the time he and Orton kept swapping the title constantly. And even then, both Hogan & Hart’s fourth reigns were pointless one day affairs and their fifth reigns weren’t that meaningful either. (Hogan disappeared, Hart just sort of there while DX, Taker & Kane took center stage).
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Post by XIII on May 30, 2023 6:51:52 GMT -5
3 is a solid answer, but I think that 5 is the absolute limit for doing truly interesting things. Once you’re past that it’s “look at the champion man/woman!”
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on May 30, 2023 7:39:41 GMT -5
I'd say 7 and beyond, but it really depends on both timeframes of the reign, if they held the title with different promotions and the wrestler themselves.
Kane has 3* but none of them are memorable, meanwhile John Cena has 17 but they all kind of meld into one long decade of wins.
*If you include the ECW title reign
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Post by genericusername on Jun 1, 2023 5:59:15 GMT -5
Once it gets beyond 5 it starts to get ridiculous for me.
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