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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 9, 2023 11:39:24 GMT -5
Perfect symmetry:
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Post by dynamitekidd on Jul 9, 2023 15:09:18 GMT -5
I would change my vote from average to good. I’ve come around on him and Juice big time the past few weeks.
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Post by Blade on Jul 10, 2023 7:29:33 GMT -5
Collision has been huge for him and Juice. They were (one of many) warm bodies on the roster before and now I'm invested in them. I'm still not sure if I see top guy material in Jay but I'm certainly not saying I couldn't.
It goes to show again that the obsession with constantly bringing in new toys, along with crossovers with Japan that have no long-term impact, all the ROH stuff, etc, is a big part of the issue with AEW in the last year. You need consistent time with characters to get invested in them. And then you have to DO SOMETHING with that investment, instead of just letting them vanish for three months when the crowd is hot for them. Let people have time to shine and follow up when it works.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Jul 10, 2023 15:12:10 GMT -5
I’d say good
I knew of him from NJPW but that was it, never saw him wrestle before he started in AEW but I’m enjoying his character and wrestling
And just because he’s getting mentioned Juice Robinson has a fan in me for life just based on him screaming RICKKYYYYYY! during that feud with Starks
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 11, 2023 7:34:53 GMT -5
Bullet Club Gold and being on Collision has given him a much-needed direction.
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Post by Doo Doo is a Ratings Expert on Jul 11, 2023 17:48:32 GMT -5
He hasn't really been the scumbag heel I've read about him being (never seen him outside of AEW), but he's been good anyway. I've come to really like him.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 14, 2023 8:11:37 GMT -5
"Perfect" for me would've been him coming in as top heel the way he was in NJPW, since I watched his whole run there and think he's one of the tip top wrestlers going today, full stop.
That said, I realized that wasn't likely to happen early on; MJF's the top heel right now, Swerve's on the rise, and while White is known it's not like the bulk of the audience had been watching all his work the past few years in Japan, so taking more time to establish him wasn't a ridiculous idea; plus, he's still young enough that he doesn't need to be rushed to the top, if that's one of their future plans for him...and given that he's always being protected (hasn't been pinned yet), I do think there's a long term idea towards that end.
Still, he's definitely an example of someone benefitting from Collision providing that extra TV time to highlight more top names. That tag match this past week, good Lord, that was one of my favorite TV matches of the year so far, so that alone bumps it up to "Good" for me, but now there's more of an opportunity to reach higher than that.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 14, 2023 9:16:34 GMT -5
I'm starting to bring it towards good since his transition to Dynamite to Collision it feels like a night and day change. And Juice Robinson being the embodiment of the Craving Crazy helps.
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Post by clifford on Jul 16, 2023 5:17:32 GMT -5
People were really writing my man off based on a month's worth of work.
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Post by spagett on Jul 16, 2023 6:22:26 GMT -5
Got the pin for Bullet Club, wasn't involved in any of the FTR wins, was booked to kick out of some insane things and put over by Nigel on commentary as unbeatable.
You can see how highly rated he is in AEW, they are protecting him a ton. And rightly so.
He is great.
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Post by daaave on Jul 16, 2023 7:11:15 GMT -5
He'll be champ next year. Probably take the title off the guy who takes it off MJF
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 16, 2023 7:16:12 GMT -5
He'll be champ next year. Probably take the title off the guy who takes it off MJF MJF drops it to Eddie Kingston, who drops it to Jay White. That would be awesome!
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Post by SneakMan on Jul 16, 2023 13:37:30 GMT -5
I’m glad he got to Look Good In Defeat™ against Phil’s buddies. Hopefully that’s not his ceiling because as that incredible tag match showed, dude is money.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 16, 2023 17:28:53 GMT -5
I’m glad he got to Look Good In Defeat™ against Phil’s buddies. Hopefully that’s not his ceiling because as that incredible tag match showed, dude is money. I mean in actuality they took the best tag team in the world to the limit and also pinned them twice He was also not pinned, Juice was This has done nothing imo but raise Jay's stock in the company and show people what he's all about Also Juice has been an MVP for Collision. Absolutely insane run
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Post by SneakMan on Jul 16, 2023 17:50:51 GMT -5
I mean in actuality they took the best tag team in the world to the limit and also pinned them twice He was also not pinned, Juice was This has done nothing imo but raise Jay's stock in the company and show people what he's all about Also Juice has been an MVP for Collision. Absolutely insane run We’re essentially in agreement here, cjb. Match was incredible and raised Jay’s (and Juice’s) stock. I just think that actually winning rather than Looking Good In Defeat™ would’ve done that even more. If I criticize WWE for doing the “look how strong they are, they almost won!” thing with Cody then I’ve gotta be consistent and do it for AEW.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 16, 2023 18:04:17 GMT -5
I’m glad he got to Look Good In Defeat™ against Phil’s buddies. Hopefully that’s not his ceiling because as that incredible tag match showed, dude is money. I mean in actuality they took the best tag team in the world to the limit and also pinned them twice He was also not pinned, Juice was This has done nothing imo but raise Jay's stock in the company and show people what he's all about Also Juice has been an MVP for Collision. Absolutely insane run You're aware that the guy who isn't pinned in the losing team still loses, in actuality?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 16, 2023 18:07:41 GMT -5
I mean in actuality they took the best tag team in the world to the limit and also pinned them twice He was also not pinned, Juice was This has done nothing imo but raise Jay's stock in the company and show people what he's all about Also Juice has been an MVP for Collision. Absolutely insane run You're aware that the guy who isn't pinned in the losing team still loses, in actuality? Not getting pinned is a big difference though, he still has not been visibly pinned in AEW Regardless it really doesn't matter when you have matches like that.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 16, 2023 18:37:30 GMT -5
It’s good or better now. Takes time but I love he’s being protected and he himself is getting more comfortable and killing it.
So many feuds I hope we end up getting with him: MJF, Cole, page, Danielson, Darby, Eddie, hook, Mox, GOTTA run that shit back with Kenny, I’m prbly forgetting peeps but yeah
Great to see he’s fitting in and killing it.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jul 16, 2023 19:45:02 GMT -5
He'll be champ next year. Probably take the title off the guy who takes it off MJF MJF drops it to Eddie Kingston, who drops it to Jay White. That would be awesome! Sweet revenge for Jay White over the man who kicked him out of NJPW? Too sweet!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 17, 2023 0:38:39 GMT -5
I mean in actuality they took the best tag team in the world to the limit and also pinned them twice He was also not pinned, Juice was This has done nothing imo but raise Jay's stock in the company and show people what he's all about Also Juice has been an MVP for Collision. Absolutely insane run We’re essentially in agreement here, cjb. Match was incredible and raised Jay’s (and Juice’s) stock. I just think that actually winning rather than Looking Good In Defeat™ would’ve done that even more. If I criticize WWE for doing the “look how strong they are, they almost won!” thing with Cody then I’ve gotta be consistent and do it for AEW. Cody's example has A LOT more baggage and layers to it than BCG not winning against FTR in this moment though, like I really gotta contest that I agree with what you're saying but I really think Jay and Juice are in a really good position here, even possibly to a point where they can say the pinfalls against each other are 2-2, and to go for a big Wembley Match.
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