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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 18, 2023 16:04:59 GMT -5
Can you post the exact quotes from Kevin Kelly that make him a literal Nazi? This is veering very close to the types of things we’re not allowed to talk about here but a) he said “3/4ths of the way to being a Nazi” not “literal Nazi” as you’ve now attributed to him and then b) made a very valid point with regards to how actions and beliefs in the Weimar Republic led to the type of fervent support Hitler and the Third Reich ended up holding. So being this level of patronising isn’t entirely fair here. Ok, take a literal Nazi and reduce it to 75% of one. Still a pretty big claim to make. The thing is, I don't even know what Kevin Kelly said. It could be horrible. But if we're going to have this discussion about anyone, surely the least we can do is actually post the quotes? Rather than call him 3/4 of a Nazi and be like 'but err idk what he said, maybe it was about black people or being turned gay, I forget'.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 18, 2023 16:30:57 GMT -5
That's what wrestling needs, ANOTHER Kevin no one likes.
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Post by markymark on Jun 19, 2023 11:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by BlahBlah on Jun 19, 2023 14:15:50 GMT -5
As one of the dozens of people that catches New Japan on Axs TV he definitely does not get better. It's grating.
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Post by KingPooper on Jun 19, 2023 23:34:39 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they went with Kevin Kelly when they have Ian working behind a paywall.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 20, 2023 2:57:01 GMT -5
I didn't watch Collision, but I absolutely loved the Kevin Kelly / Steve Corino team in ROH, especially in the post-Cornette years.
I don't have the personal bandwidth to get into the 20 years of Kevin Kelly politics right now, but it's out there.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jun 20, 2023 10:55:42 GMT -5
I always relatively liked Kevin Kelly as a commentator too, and even though he was half-decent on Saturday, mispronunciations aside.
I'm extremely disappointed to learn of his politics, but I'll leave it at that.
Honestly, commentary for ROH on HonorClub has been a real high point of that show for me. I would have absolutely no issue at all if they just used Ian/Caprice/Nigel for Collision. It's a really solid booth.
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Post by SirLucas on Jun 20, 2023 13:25:52 GMT -5
I need a whole lotta context on this. It doesn't seem to have happened recently but the dude is big into "woke indoctrination in our schools" although with squaredcircle down I can't remember if he thinks the kids are being turned gay or simply becoming second class to black people, but it's one of the two No politics! Please!
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Post by schizo on Jun 20, 2023 14:57:36 GMT -5
I need a whole lotta context on this. It doesn't seem to have happened recently but the dude is big into "woke indoctrination in our schools" although with squaredcircle down I can't remember if he thinks the kids are being turned gay or simply becoming second class to black people, but it's one of the two Then why derail a thread into a unnecessary political speil if you don’t even have actually facts to back up your claim other than “HES A “kind of a” NAZI!!…because….he said something…bad! At some point…don’t remember…but it was BAD!”
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jun 20, 2023 18:11:04 GMT -5
It doesn't seem to have happened recently but the dude is big into "woke indoctrination in our schools" although with squaredcircle down I can't remember if he thinks the kids are being turned gay or simply becoming second class to black people, but it's one of the two Then why derail a thread into a unnecessary political speil if you don’t even have actually facts to back up your claim other than “HES A “kind of a” NAZI!!…because….he said something…bad! At some point…don’t remember…but it was BAD!” If you get this defensive over people who believe the "progressive left want to control our schools", which is a basic nazi trope, i am sincerely sorry we're on the same forum. And it's not like there aren't years of this shit. I'm not American and I will never pretend this is normal.
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Post by SirLucas on Jun 21, 2023 23:57:53 GMT -5
I am not sure what Kevin Kelly's criticisms against the U.S. public school system are nor do I understand how it is germane to this discussion about his performance on Collision.
If it can't be specified within the parameters of the forum's rules, then it has no business even being brought up.
As a former public school teacher, have many objections to many of the policies I experienced while working in the system. But that's a discussion for another place.
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Post by jp49er80 on Jun 22, 2023 3:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 22, 2023 5:38:42 GMT -5
Has Kevin Kelly ever walked back any of that weird shit he was doing where he was doing shoots talking about how every Diva was banging everybody and there was this greasy vibe to the whole thing? It put me off him to a degree where I simply haven't had a chance to hate him for anything else, I have no interest in his work.
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Post by discoelysium on Jun 22, 2023 5:54:56 GMT -5
Nearest I could find to Kevin Kelly espousing his views was here: There's a suggestion he "cleaned up" his Twitter after getting heat for this but I've no idea how valid that is. That's just f***ing gross.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 22, 2023 15:04:47 GMT -5
Has Kevin Kelly ever walked back any of that weird shit he was doing where he was doing shoots talking about how every Diva was banging everybody and there was this greasy vibe to the whole thing? It put me off him to a degree where I simply haven't had a chance to hate him for anything else, I have no interest in his work. Same here, I can't bear him on my screen since the whole "all the women banged everyone". He showed his true colours there.
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Post by SirLucas on Jun 22, 2023 18:21:05 GMT -5
Nearest I could find to Kevin Kelly espousing his views was here: There's a suggestion he "cleaned up" his Twitter after getting heat for this but I've no idea how valid that is. That's just f***ing gross. So that's how it's going to be?
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jun 23, 2023 1:47:26 GMT -5
I think it's pronounced KEH-VINN, KEH-LEE
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Post by discoelysium on Jun 23, 2023 2:18:49 GMT -5
That's just f***ing gross. So that's how it's going to be? Your point being?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 23, 2023 2:57:52 GMT -5
That's just f***ing gross. So that's how it's going to be? Ideally, yes, it's going to be that when somebody dogwhistles about a group "controlling our kids" who will always lie to get the thing they want (control of your kids), that it's seen as gross. Because we all know what that actually means.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 23, 2023 3:26:24 GMT -5
Has Kevin Kelly ever walked back any of that weird shit he was doing where he was doing shoots talking about how every Diva was banging everybody and there was this greasy vibe to the whole thing? It put me off him to a degree where I simply haven't had a chance to hate him for anything else, I have no interest in his work. Yeah... it was gross and personally it really seemed like more that he was angry that they didn't want to sleep with him...
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