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Post by eJm on Jul 4, 2023 11:18:25 GMT -5
Whilst it was a cool moment and popped the crowd huge, looking back I am a bit confused by the Omega kicking out of a OWA at 1 spot. I'm guessing the logic is supposed to be that only Kenny can hit the move effectively , but it would have been better much earlier in the match so it harmed the move less. For me, and this is my interpretation, the reason I compared it to Revolution 2020 is the idea that something clicked inside of Kenny where this guy is trying to beat him with his move. After all that? This douche? So the Fighting Spirit got awakened and he kicked out at one.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 4, 2023 11:35:25 GMT -5
yeah, I interpret Kenny kicking out of delivered OWA’s as him just blitzed out of his mind at someone attempting to end him with *his* finisher.
I heard someone say they should have ended the match with the tiger driver, and I kind of can’t disagree. Just imagine, after the brutality of that move, Will gets the pin.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 4, 2023 12:24:51 GMT -5
I like it when wrestlers are experts at their own finisher and others can't do it as well. It makes perfect sense as well. That's probably the first time Ospreay has ever done a One Winged Angel so it's not going to be as effective as Omega's, when he's done it hundreds, if not thousands of times. Plus, if anyone knows how to take a OWA so it has less impact, it'd be Omega. It doesn't harm the OWA at all, IMO.
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Post by pinja on Jul 4, 2023 12:39:49 GMT -5
I like it when wrestlers are experts at their own finisher and others can't do it as well. It makes perfect sense as well. That's probably the first time Ospreay has ever done a One Winged Angel so it's not going to be as effective as Omega's, when he's done it hundreds, if not thousands of times. Plus, if anyone knows how to take a OWA so it has less impact, it'd be Omega. It doesn't harm the OWA at all, IMO. I think it only makes sense if the move looks deliberately weaker. Shane Douglas had a nice looking Belly to Belly, but so had the Steiners and their's never ended a match. Jake's DDT looked good, but so do most DDT's nowadays and they never finish a match. Same move, same execution - I personally don't buy different outcomes. However: I found this spot excellent. Like Kenny was pissed about the audacity of Ospreay trying to put him away with his own move.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 4, 2023 12:46:09 GMT -5
I like it when wrestlers are experts at their own finisher and others can't do it as well. It makes perfect sense as well. That's probably the first time Ospreay has ever done a One Winged Angel so it's not going to be as effective as Omega's, when he's done it hundreds, if not thousands of times. Plus, if anyone knows how to take a OWA so it has less impact, it'd be Omega. It doesn't harm the OWA at all, IMO. I think it only makes sense if the move looks deliberately weaker. Shane Douglas had a nice looking Belly to Belly, but so had the Steiners and their's never ended a match. Jake's DDT looked good, but so do most DDT's nowadays and they never finish a match. Same move, same execution - I personally don't buy different outcomes. However: I found this spot excellent. Like Kenny was pissed about the audacity of Ospreay trying to put him away with his own move.
Most figure 4s look the same but I still buy that Flair's is the most painful.
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Post by pinja on Jul 4, 2023 12:50:01 GMT -5
I think it only makes sense if the move looks deliberately weaker. Shane Douglas had a nice looking Belly to Belly, but so had the Steiners and their's never ended a match. Jake's DDT looked good, but so do most DDT's nowadays and they never finish a match. Same move, same execution - I personally don't buy different outcomes. However: I found this spot excellent. Like Kenny was pissed about the audacity of Ospreay trying to put him away with his own move.
Most figure 4s look the same but I still buy that Flair's is the most painful. Me too, but that is because it's a submission and so it's locked in for a while and the selling of both, Flair and his opponent, made it look more devastating than a Figure 4 used as a glorified resthold. It not just setup plus singular impact with submissions.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jul 4, 2023 13:37:42 GMT -5
yeah, I interpret Kenny kicking out of delivered OWA’s as him just blitzed out of his mind at someone attempting to end him with *his* finisher. I heard someone say they should have ended the match with the tiger driver, and I kind of can’t disagree. Just imagine, after the brutality of that move, Will gets the pin. I've not seen the whole match yet, but based on the highlights I've seen, and the impact of the Tiger Driver 91, yeah that should have been the finish.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 4, 2023 14:33:20 GMT -5
Most figure 4s look the same but I still buy that Flair's is the most painful. Me too, but that is because it's a submission and so it's locked in for a while and the selling of both, Flair and his opponent, made it look more devastating than a Figure 4 used as a glorified resthold. It not just setup plus singular impact with submissions. Okay, ignoring submissions, how many times did people Stun Steve Austin or give the Rock Bottom to the Rock? Stealing your opponent's finisher and not doing it as well has been a trope for decades in wrestling so I guess I'm just confused why anyone is unhappy with the OWA being used in the same way.
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Post by pinja on Jul 4, 2023 15:04:54 GMT -5
Me too, but that is because it's a submission and so it's locked in for a while and the selling of both, Flair and his opponent, made it look more devastating than a Figure 4 used as a glorified resthold. It not just setup plus singular impact with submissions. Okay, ignoring submissions, how many times did people Stun Steve Austin or give the Rock Bottom to the Rock? Stealing your opponent's finisher and not doing it as well has been a trope for decades in wrestling so I guess I'm just confused why anyone is unhappy with the OWA being used in the same way. It is a trope and as blurry as my memories are, I remember the Stunner and the Rock Bottom really looking the best when performed by Austin and Rock. However, many finishers are performed just as good looking as the original, sometimes meant as a finish itself, sometimes as a mere transitional move. I thought Ospreay's OWA looked flawless and, as mentioned, I still bought Kenny kicking out the way he did without it devaluating the move. As a trope it's a nice tool for match psychology, I just don't think it's always as easy as saying that the original is executed the best when someone kicks out of his own finisher.
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Post by King (Super) Dragunov on Jul 4, 2023 21:07:02 GMT -5
Whilst it was a cool moment and popped the crowd huge, looking back I am a bit confused by the Omega kicking out of a OWA at 1 spot. I'm guessing the logic is supposed to be that only Kenny can hit the move effectively , but it would have been better much earlier in the match so it harmed the move less. Chalk it up to an "awwww you done f***ed up now" kickout. Similar to him taking the Golden Trigger. There are some lines you don't cross with Kenny. You do, and well, you done f***ed up. It's like hulking up, but way less corny, and faster.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 4, 2023 21:45:04 GMT -5
yeah, I interpret Kenny kicking out of delivered OWA’s as him just blitzed out of his mind at someone attempting to end him with *his* finisher. I heard someone say they should have ended the match with the tiger driver, and I kind of can’t disagree. Just imagine, after the brutality of that move, Will gets the pin. I've not seen the whole match yet, but based on the highlights I've seen, and the impact of the Tiger Driver 91, yeah that should have been the finish. I understand it in terms of the wrestlers wanting to “build” to the appropriate end, but within this hard-hitting match, while finishing it would have been abrupt and garnered a “WTF” reaction, the resounding impact would have been great. The first clip making the rounds online was the Tiger Driver. Hindsight is 20/20, but it’s something that people should try in the more breakneck-paced matches.
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