Renslayer
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 3, 2023 9:08:12 GMT -5
Whatever they paid Steve austin and the rock that year was not nearly enough.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 3, 2023 9:24:00 GMT -5
Proof that when you're hot, you can do nothing wrong. Simultaneously, when you're cold, you can do nothing right.
WWF was getting mollywhopped regularly in 97 while putting on some of their best TV ever.
Meanwhile, the TV in 99 was largely hot garbage but the product had gotten so hot, it didn't really matter.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 3, 2023 9:50:29 GMT -5
Really? That was a real possibility? He was in Vinces doghouse the first year and a half he was there. He also pissed people off during his debut promo. He had the nuclear heat on him. It wouldve been on the table to release him as he wasn't over I knew about the Undertaker promo pissing him off, but not the original. I know Jericho hated it himself. Was he not over? I don't remember people being silent for him back then.
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jul 3, 2023 10:43:35 GMT -5
He was in Vinces doghouse the first year and a half he was there. He also pissed people off during his debut promo. He had the nuclear heat on him. It wouldve been on the table to release him as he wasn't over I knew about the Undertaker promo pissing him off, but not the original. I know Jericho hated it himself. Was he not over? I don't remember people being silent for him back then. He was very over with the live crowds. But apparently people in the office and other wrestlers backstage, hated the dude.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jul 3, 2023 11:36:13 GMT -5
I knew about the Undertaker promo pissing him off, but not the original. I know Jericho hated it himself. Was he not over? I don't remember people being silent for him back then. He was very over with the live crowds. But apparently people in the office and other wrestlers backstage, hated the dude. I remember a period after his initial entrance where he was stuck in lower card hell and being paired with Mr Hughes for some weird reason. Especially since Chyna wasn't a fan of his and complained to upper management (Chyna had some pull)
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Post by JasonVoorhees1988 on Jul 3, 2023 11:40:32 GMT -5
In Jericho's second book he mentions that HHH & his cronies didn't like him.
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Post by 4real on Jul 3, 2023 13:42:18 GMT -5
At the time I didn’t really care for match quality or whatever the product was so hot at the time.
Going back though a lot of very bad quality PPV’s really. Rock & Mankind were having decent matches in the early part of the year and you had the ladder match with E&C v Hardyz late in the year but yeah match quality was very low. Luckily the majority of the roster was over.
I loved the ministry stuff until Vince was revealed as the higher power and diluted Taker’s character. The period after the Austin McMahon feud ends feels like a transition period until things really pick up again in mid 00. HHH trying to be taken seriously as a main eventer, Austin & Taker getting injured, Foley on the way out, Jericho, Angle & the Dudleyz trying to find their feet (& later The Radicalz), E & C & Hardyz trying to get over as well (Also 2 Cool), Big Show just floundering despite becoming WWF Champion. And of course the never ending X-Pac v Kane feud that ruined X-Pac's career really.
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Post by fg on Jul 3, 2023 13:53:40 GMT -5
Whatever they paid Steve austin and the rock that year was not nearly enough. Dave Meltzer also said that during this time, the wrestlers were really underpaid compared to sports stars who were making let’s say $1 million a year and some of those stars weren’t as popular as WWE wrestlers were but the wrestlers didn’t complain since they were making more money then ever at the time and sone of them remember wrestling for little or no money.
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 3, 2023 17:28:44 GMT -5
a lot of really good stuff from the WWF The rise of Kurt Angle, Rock, HHH and Mick Foley as main eventers the mid-card was really stacked with the likes of Jericho a very stacked tag team division Triple H's DX was really great Wrestlemania 15 was pretty good, and the first of the historic trilogy of Austin and Rock at Wrestlemania Big Show's debuting at St. Valentine's Day was really awesome I thought the Ministry of Darkness was really dark and cool the mid card was stacked with Goldust, Jericho, Val Venis, Ken Shamrock etc. There was a lot of not so good The Corporation and the Ministry of Darkness merging... was an interesting choice I still hate the Higher Power reveal -- even as a dumb high school kid I knew Vince being the Higher Power made no sense Billy Gunn as King of the Ring... was perplexing Mark Henry and Mae Young...... I didn't care about the Brawl for Allthe passing of Owen and Droz's paralyzing, was obviously the worst things in all of wrestling in 1999 The Brawl for All was in 1998. As far as 1999 goes, there's no denying it was a fun and exciting time to be a fan, even though much of it hasn't aged well. I was a full blown mark at the time and I always wanted more, but looking back I can see why that year is looked down upon. The only thing I was questioning at the time was Harry Beaver Cleveage. Even as a 12 year old mark I felt it was in bad taste and knew it wasn't going to last.
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 3, 2023 17:32:03 GMT -5
The Bad Owen's Hart's death Droz getting paralyzed Vince's being a the higher power Wrestlemania 15(Austin vs Rock being the only good thing) The Corporation and The Ministry of Darkness merging Road Dogg and Billy Gunn failing as singles starsThe Start of Big Show multiple heel face turns Beaver Cleavage The Good Austin vs Rock Rock N Sock connection Kurt Angle's,The Dudleyz,and Chris Jericho's debut Austin being run down(yes I know it turned out to be a disappointment but starting off good) What are your thoughts on 99 WWF since it seems to be a mixed bag? I don't think Road Dogg was failing as a singles star, he seemed pretty over based on crowd reaction. Billy Gunn OTOH was struggling. In fact, after his feud with The Rock, they put him back together with Road Dogg(and the rest of DX). That to me as an admission that his singles run has failed.
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Post by XIII on Jul 3, 2023 17:38:33 GMT -5
It was pretty shitty honestly. I watched every episode and was hype at the time but most of it is borderline unwatchable for me these days.
Between that and the chaos that was WCW it was not a great time.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 3, 2023 17:49:55 GMT -5
The IC title really went to crap in 99. That period when it went from Shamrock to Val Venis to Road Dogg to Goldust to Godfather to Jarrett to Edge back to Jarrett then to D-Lo then back to Jarrett again all within a few months was just dire.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 3, 2023 18:02:11 GMT -5
The IC title really went to crap in 99. That period when it went from Shamrock to Val Venis to Road Dogg to Goldust to Godfather to Jarrett to Edge back to Jarrett then to D-Lo then back to Jarrett again all within a few months was just dire. I would say the stretch from 1999 to 2001 really ruined that title to the point where I don't think it's ever really recovered. 2000 I guess wasn't that bad in that while it was hot potatoed at least the guys winning it felt like guys worthy of it at the time. Then in 2001 though you had the likes of Albert, Lance Storm, and still tag guy Jeff Hardy winning it.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 3, 2023 18:10:42 GMT -5
Also, I'd like to mention, that all though '99 can be considered mainly crash tv, television shows were very entertaining. From a storyline perspective, if you missed an episode of RAW, you feel like you missed a lot. You rarely changed the channel during a match/segment.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Jul 3, 2023 18:15:01 GMT -5
Loved it as a kid, probably won't ever revisit any of it.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 3, 2023 18:59:10 GMT -5
It’s absurd, frantic, and wedged between two of the WWF’s best years, but it’s fine and I still find the shows watchable. The top half of the roster is just insanely over and that helps the shows tremendously. And I would think most people who were fans in real time in 1999 probably hold some nostalgic feelings for it. As it was said earlier, 1999 definitely felt like its most mainstream popularity. While its peak at my school was over by the fall of 1999, it was still everywhere. Smackdown started, WWF guys would pop up on random shows frequently, merchandise was all over the stores. It just felt like the biggest thing in the world - even when compared to other hot periods like today. WWE is killing it now, but it’s not inescapable like it was in 1999.
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Post by johncasey on Jul 4, 2023 13:02:15 GMT -5
99 was ok when I first watched them but I haven't watch a 99 PPV in ages. They were so dull and boring in retrospect.
In a way WWE in 99 was quite similar to my other interests where stuff in 97-98 and 2000-2001 were far superior.
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Post by Aceorton on Jul 4, 2023 14:27:13 GMT -5
I had watched the WWF basically uninterrupted from the summer of 1987 on. The point where I first stopped for a while, during college, was the fall of '99. Had the shows been great, I would have continued to tape them and watch later. But they weren't great, and hadn't been in months. Owen's death really took me out of it. Most of the Corporate Ministry shit was terrible. So I didn't bother to tape ... and didn't really feel like I was missing anything, which was kind of sad.
The cruel twist was that the WWF actually got good again not long after I dipped, and I missed a ton of fun stuff (McMahon-Helmsley era, the first few months of Angle, the Dudleys and Hardys getting over huge, early Radicalz, Too Cool's peak months, etc.). I watched the 2000 Royal Rumble and WrestleMania 2000, but that was about it for the year before I picked it up again in 2001.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jul 4, 2023 22:19:26 GMT -5
I can't stand 1998 or 1999 WWF. And was in their prime demographic at the time. I have no nostalgia for it at all.
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Post by government mule on Jul 5, 2023 3:34:36 GMT -5
I bought No Mercy '99 on VHS and was all I had from '99 growing up, so my nostalgia for that period is exclusively tied to this one PPV as I watched it like a hundred times.
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